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Iraqi civilian deaths down by half in September
AP via Yahoo ^ | 10/1/2007 | Too ashamed to say

Posted on 10/01/2007 5:55:57 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty

BAGHDAD (AFP) - At least 840 civilians were killed in Iraq in September, less than half the toll of the previous month, according to figures compiled by three Iraqi ministries and seen by AFP on Monday.

The monthly toll, which coincides with a drop in September in the number of US soldiers killed in a month, is the lowest this year.

The figure for civilians killed in August was 1,771, significantly higher than the number for February, when the United States launched its "surge" during which it flooded Baghdad and surrounding areas with 28,500 extra troops in a bid to stem sectarian bloodletting.

In that month, 1,626 civilians were killed according to the figures from the health, interior and defence ministries.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; military; surge; victory; war
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Looks like the terrorist "surge" is over...on to victory!
1 posted on 10/01/2007 5:55:57 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
Liberals are disappointed in this news and the fact that our soldiers deaths are also down...
2 posted on 10/01/2007 6:05:50 AM PDT by b4its2late (~ This Tagline Intentionally Left Blank ~)
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To: b4its2late

But the libs and the MSM will still call the “Surge” a failure because of the ongoing political stalemate. I have a feeling the Shias will soon be more flexible in their political negotiations with the Sunnis given the close and successful partnership the US has cultivated with Sunni tribes and former insurgent groups. Maliki basically has no choice.


3 posted on 10/01/2007 6:17:39 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

A bad news story from Iraq gets front page above the cover. A good news story from Iraq gets stuck inside the travel and leisure section.


4 posted on 10/01/2007 6:20:06 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: PreciousLiberty

What does it mean when MSM says “killed”?
There are approximately 27 million Iraqis.
How many would one expect to die in a month of natural causes?
In other words how many were “killed” by heart attacks?


5 posted on 10/01/2007 6:35:31 AM PDT by genetic drift
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To: PreciousLiberty
Great news. September will be remembered as
1. the month that civilian deaths declined in Iraq and
2. the month that the NY Times made sure that the fine military leader of the surge was smeared.
6 posted on 10/01/2007 6:35:59 AM PDT by syriacus (The Summer of our Discountent -- Chap 20 of Steinbeck's novel about poor ethics of the NY Times.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I think the drop is too sharp, something more than the surge alone contributing to such abnormal trends. Just weeks ago, Muqtada Al-Sadr claimed he would re-organize his group (including the Mahdi Army), and claimed anyone disobeying orders would be kicked out. I would guess this is one of the factors which local networks of the ethnic cleansing groups within Mahdi Army could not act aggresively risking their power within the Mahdi Army. I see this as a phase of re-organization of Mahdi Army, which should be crushed in the near future when Baghdad becomes 100% secure, at least excluding Al-Sadr city. Another factor I imagine is the preparation of Iran for a war within their territories, meaning Iranian agents (al-Quds force) heading home to prepare for US attacks on Iranian soil, and to crush local uprise. Whatever may be the reason, operation to secure Baghdad should be accelerated to prepare for further operations southward to crush Mahdi Army, kill Muqtada Al Sadr, and ultimately strike Iran.


7 posted on 10/01/2007 6:59:03 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: PreciousLiberty

It is too early to declare the sudden drop is permanent, and what is in the background, but I will mention the data of casualties of all entities (civilians, security force, coalition force) for September are all below average.
Other than Iraqi civilian deaths, casualties of Iraqi Security Force were low, and the deaths of coalition force is the lowest since the begining of the year, and below average of daily deaths. Iraqi security force casualties rank the forth lowest, according to icasualties.org. I have no data yet on oil output, but while it has not reached the primary goal of 6000MW/h (last updated data I have is above 5000MW), recent data on electricty output shows a slow but constant recovery.


8 posted on 10/01/2007 7:09:42 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: PreciousLiberty

Pick your headline:

Harry Reid was seen wimpering in the Halls of the Senate...

General Patraeus has been victorious on the Iraqi front in the War on Terror..

Our victorious brave troops are starting to come home. The Iraqi people have embraced freedom.

George W. Bush recommended for a spot on Rushmore.

Nancy Pelosi’s head explodes as she finally realizes that she was on the wrong side of victory.


9 posted on 10/01/2007 7:35:49 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberals whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: PreciousLiberty; jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; ...

Surge worked ping.


10 posted on 10/01/2007 8:22:33 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

oh noes! better put the libs on suicide watch. lol


11 posted on 10/01/2007 8:33:56 AM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: PreciousLiberty

QUAGMIRE!


12 posted on 10/01/2007 9:56:13 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Great news, we have won this war.


13 posted on 10/01/2007 11:19:23 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: elhombrelibre
"Surge worked ping."
Senator Reid is full of remorse.
14 posted on 10/02/2007 5:59:35 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: Marine_Uncle

No doubt.


15 posted on 10/02/2007 7:05:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: genetic drift

If we assume an average Iraqi lifespan of 60 years (we’re talking third world here) Iraq should have about 37,500 deaths a month from all causes. Thus, secretarian violence is accounting for a little more than 2 percent of all deaths.


17 posted on 10/02/2007 11:03:43 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: PreciousLiberty

“Looks like the terrorist “surge” is over...on to victory!”

I don’t know why more people don’t understand that point. When we announced our surge, and gave Petraus a September deadline for results, the Jihadis had no option but to try and run a Tet offensive surge and hope they could break us politically like in Vietnam.

Now that the report is done, it may well be that the terrorist blew their wad.


18 posted on 10/02/2007 11:12:11 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: PreciousLiberty

This news made page A14 in today’s WaPo. Not to worry. The story was placed next to a highlighted list of Blackwater misdeeds. I guess the juxtaposition is intended to keep us from an irrational expectation of victory.


19 posted on 10/02/2007 8:07:32 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Newsflash: Press Biased [Stanley Kurtz]

Today, on the front page of The Washington Post, we see the third in a three-part series on roadside bombs in Iraq. The stories in this series have been centered on the top half of the page and highlighted in red (a device I don’t recall seeing before). Next to that is a huge headline about allegations of killings In Iraq by Blackwater. Below that is a headline that reads “Most in Poll Want War Funding Cut.” Meanwhile deep inside the paper, on page A14, we find the following article: “U.S. and Civilian Deaths Decrease Sharply in Iraq: American Military Credits Troop Influx.” True, nestled between the other screaming headlines on page one, there is a brief minuscule teaser for this far more positive story about Iraq. Yet the bias here is clear.

If the top story is Iraq, then I don’t see how you can put those three stories on the front page, while burying the other one on page 14. Arguably, an actual report of substantial positive progress in Iraq is more important, and more dramatic, than any of those other stories. By rights it ought to have been headlined on page one. The Post seems more interested in fighting our political battle over the Iraq than in reporting on it. So if the poll data the Post is pushing reflects less support for the war than it might, that clearly has a great deal to do with the way biased coverage by the Post is skewing public perceptions of the war. I’m not saying all is well or that success is inevitable–far from it. Yet the relative placement of these stories by the Post is profoundly biased and misleading.

10/02 11:32 AM


20 posted on 10/02/2007 8:09:48 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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