Posted on 09/30/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by traviskicks
Edited on 09/30/2007 4:01:53 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
Manchester – Calls to abolish the Internal Revenue Service and repeal the Constitutional amendment that established the federal income tax drew loud applause yesterday for Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.
The Texas Congressman drew an eclectic mix of more than 500 supporters -- young and old, Libertarians and anti-war Democrats, independents and conservative Republicans -- who cheered his message of limited government, low taxes, free markets, bringing the troops home from Iraq, and returning to a monetary policy based on the gold standard.
Paul said the gathering at Veterans Park wasn't about him, but about his message -- which, he said, has been resonating with more and more people.
"Something very significant is happening in this country today. The paradigm is shifting away from government controlling our lives by force," he said. "People are sick and tired of what's happening and want to control (their) own lives."
He said people should be able to keep 100 percent of the fruits of their labor. Income tax is an example of the government controlling people, he said, as are the draft, prohibition on drugs, seat belt laws and other regulations.
Paul said current monetary policy amounts to a "secret sinister tax" that takes wealth from the middle class and poor, and redistributes money to Wall Street and the wealthy. The crowd broke into applause when he said the federal reserve system should be abolished.
Earlier in the day, Paul told three New Hampshire reporters he hoped to turn the enthusiasm his campaign has generated -- through the Internet, in "meet-ups" and through campaign donations -- into votes.
The physician-turned-politician said he expects to spend more and more time in New Hampshire. "The slogan on your license plate would indicate this should be fertile ground for us here," he said, alluding to the state's "Live Free or Die" motto.
Paul said he is running on the same policies President Bush advocated when he ran in 2000, which, he added, are the same ones Republicans have run on for years: a balanced budget, limited government, personal freedom and no nation building.
"Most Republicans -- the leadership in Washington -- don't believe in their own platform; that's why they are losing," Paul said.
Rather than try to spread democracy around the world, he said, politicians ought to focus on some of the shortcomings in this country.
"You don't get a fair shake unless you join the establishment," he said.
Paul, who ran for President in 1988 as the Libertarian Party's nominee, said it's more practical to run as a Republican, noting he spent half of his money in 1988 just trying to get on the ballot in all 50 states.
The door-to-door canvassing that followed the rally -- dubbed the Paul Family Walk -- included about 30 family members who led groups of campaigners in the Queen City, Concord and Nashua. Paul himself visited New England College, Dartmouth College and the Dartmouth Medical School after the rally.
Liz Viering and her husband Peter, from Stonington, Conn., said Paul's opposition to the war in Iraq is the major reason they are supporting him. "Money spent on wars of choice takes money away from other programs," she said.
Miles LaPlant, a 21-year old college student from Attleboro, Mass., said Paul is the first candidate who has captured his attention. LaPlant said he likes Paul's stances regarding the Constitution and the country's founding principles.
Jason Kantz, his wife, Angela, and their two children came up from Cambridge, Mass., for the rally. Kantz said Paul "is the only candidate that gives logical answers and means what he says."
He said Paul's stand on the war in Iraq is also an important issue for him. "We need to reduce our involvement around the world and the amount of money we are spending," Kantz said.
Long-time Libertarian Party member Dennis Corrigan of Boxford, Mass., said he supported Paul when the Congressman ran for President as the Libertarian nominee. He said he has been a Libertarian for 40 years and headed the party in Canada at one time.
Corrigan and a friend were soliticiting signatures for a Massachusetts ballot initiative outlawing the income tax. Corrigan said his friend moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project, adding that he plans to move to the state, as well.
Thomas Clark, Minister of the Somersworth Tri-City Convenant Church, gave the invocation for the rally. Before the rally, he said he supports Paul because of his pro-life stance. "The pro-life issue is a major issue for me," Clark said.
Paul concluded the rally by encouraging his supporters to keep the faith, saying most mass movements have been driven by only 2 or 3 percent of the population.
"You are part of that 3 percent today," he said.
A word from Jim Robinson to the moonbats:
To all antiwar moonbats, Paulistas included:
Hey, if you don't like FR and or our support the war policies leave. Go find a website that supports your unfortunate, short-sighted and misguided antiwar efforts. It's really that simple.
In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.
Free Republic has co-sponsored several cross country caravans and hundreds of rallies in cities all across the country and in DC against the antiwar moonbats and in support of our Commander-in-chief, our troops, the war effort and our Gold Star and Blue Star families, many of whom are FReepers.
When you are supporting antiwar moonbats you are working against Free Republic's mission, hurting our efforts, hurting our families who have lost loved ones or have loved ones involved in the fighting, hurting our troops, damaging their morale, working against our efforts to defeat the enemy, and, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Antiwar moonbats are the domestic enemy. Antiwar moonbats willingly give aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. In my book, that's tantamount to treason. Ron Paul is an antiwar moonbat. You figure it out. If antiwar moonbats are the enemy and Ron Paul is an aid and comfort supplying antiwar moonbat, then Ron Paul IS the enemy!
If you Paulistas are looking for support on FR for an antiwar moonbat who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you're nuts! Free Republic will NEVER support antiwar moonbats!
As far as our official policy on Ron Paul is concerned, it's the same policy we have for his antiwar moonbat allies the traitors Harry Reid, Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, CodePink, International Answer, et al and their flaming antiwar spam monkeys. Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!
Where the hell did you guys ever get the idea that enemy supporting antiwar moonbats would be welcome on FR?
That plain enough for you or do I need to spell it out?
For the price of one aircraft carrier, we could make a quadrillion doses of Thorazine.
Those, like John McCain, who yearn for campaign finance control don’t reveal that it is the power given to congress through the 16th amendment that causes people to attempt to influence lawmakers with financial contributions. It’s not the money that corrupts it’s that power that people are trying to mitigate that corrupts. It also allows for the redistribution of income thereby segregating the population into payers and slackers. The class envy that ensues is corrosive.
The indecipherable tax code loosens citizens attachment to the country’s law. This disrespect for the law is the one place that the political institutions of the country are in most peril. President Lincoln pointed this out in his Lyceum Speech.
Although there is much to disagree with in the opinion of Congressman Paul, he is generally correct on this topic.
Oh wow! YOU cannot answer a single question about Paul. Instead you simply put your hands over your ears and scream “no no no no” at every single question presented you!
Instead of answering every question about Paul with a absurd question back, actually answer the questions posed to you.
YOU people want us to support Paul. OK, simple question for any of you to answer. HOW is Paul going to do any of this?
See NO one is going to join you Paulbots when YOUR ONLY response to anyone who questions your god’s dogma is to spew bile at the questioner.
So answer this.
Simple challenge to you Paulites. With NO slogans. NO demagoguery. NO sliming everyone else who doesn’t share your faith. Tell me HOW Paul would do anything. Here is his “Issues page”. NOT a word about what or how he would do anything. Just a bunch of slogans strung together basically screaming bile at everyone and everything.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/
So, you Paulites want civility? Then explain to us WHAT and HOW a Paul Administration would do. Do that with OUT sliming any one. No name calling, no hysteric hyper emotive rhetoric. None of the usual Paulite personal attacks in place of reason argument. No cut and pasting of sound bite statements from Paul speeches. NO statements of what YOU think Paul means. REAL plans with documented links so we can read them for ourselves.
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO,,,,,RON PAUL,,,,GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simple challenge to you Paulites. With NO slogans. NO demagoguery. NO sliming everyone else who doesn’t share your faith. Tell me HOW Paul would do anything. Here is his “Issues page”. NOT a word about what or how he would do anything. Just a bunch of slogans strung together basically screaming bile at everyone and everything.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/
See, you need us to support Dr Paul. We have no reason to support Dr Paul. So please explain to us WHAT and HOW a Paul Administration would do anything. Do that with OUT sliming any one. No name calling, no hysteric hyper emotive rhetoric. None of the usual Paulite personal attacks in place of reason argument. No cut and pasting of sound bite statements from Paul speeches. NO statements of what YOU think Paul means. REAL plans with documented links so we can read them for ourselves.
Maybe we can feed the Thorazine to the wild shrimp. Make ‘em easier to catch.
He's against the North American Free Trade Agreement pro border security.
A great-grandfather who delivered more than 4,000 babies as a doctor in Texas, He voted against the Patriot Act he wants smaller government. This idiot even refused to accept government insurance such as Medicaid
As a lawmaker, he's chosen not to participate in the congressional pension program. Wow!
He says were on the verge of a bankruptcy, the dollar is crashing, the foreign policy's in shambles and the people's personal liberties are under attack, when we all know everything is wonderful under our current leadership.
He's living in the past, always talking about the principles of our founding fathers, cutting out government waste trim taxes bla bla bla...
He wants to gut government!
And he is pro-2nd Amendment?
LOL!
What a wacko!
GOOOOOOOOOO RON PAUL GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
I believe income tax only accounts for 1/3rd of federal revenues, just cut gov spending back to 2000 levels and we’d be fine.
LOL, gotta love the village idiot. The issues have been explained to you several times. Matter of fact it, many of the issues were discussed in detail on a very thread you were on with someone that amazingly doesn't even support Rep. Paul's positions. And yet you posted this same exact thing. Admit it, you've got it copied on a word document so you can just paste it in place don't you.
So yes sonny, it has been explained. But keep C+Ping the same tired response will you? And go back to your crowd so you can crow 'he didn't answer, he didn't answer' even though I, and others, have on other threads.
Then explain to us WHAT and HOW a Paul Administration would do
I've got one for you. How about you explain how your candidate (whoever the hell that may be) is going to do everything he plans to do.
A chicken in every pot!
At a time of war, we need action, not yack.
why was the title of this thread altered?
well said. amazing that abolition of the irs is considered ‘radical’ on a conservative forum
Interesting that every response by ‘conservatives’ opposed to Paul here is either disagreeing that disbanding the IRS is a good idea (yep, they’re ‘conservatives’ all right) or unable put forth anything but a diatribe about Paul and his followers as ‘Paulbots’ or some other insulting comment.
Not that there’s anything wrong with being all for the IRS, or unable to form a cogent argument. However, folks that fall into those categories are generally allied with the jackass party.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
2008 GOP Platform:
Eliminate the federal income tax and replace it with a national sales tax.
Term Limits
Or Lyndon La Rouche.
Paulbots "answer" to everything:
"Ignore all facts and reality, just drink the Paulaid you stupid infidels".
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