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Parents sue county, deputy for son's shooting death
Corpus Christi Caller Times ^ | Saturday, September 22, 2007 | Mary Ann Cavazos and Jaime Powell

Posted on 09/22/2007 6:13:32 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

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It's probably not a good idea to wave a machete around unsheathed in public if you're an epileptic.
1 posted on 09/22/2007 6:13:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Especially while strolling down the middle of a freeway.


2 posted on 09/22/2007 6:17:11 PM PDT by SouthTexas
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["The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention. "]

Nonsense. Under the circumstances, the proper resposne was a 9mm touble tap to the chest. Too bad he missed his last therapy appointment.

3 posted on 09/22/2007 6:20:15 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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wonder if meth makes him epileptic


4 posted on 09/22/2007 6:21:52 PM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention.

Oh, the deputy is supposed to be able to figure out a strangers medical status while he's waking down an interstate with a machete in hand? I can only hope those in Texas don't give these people a dime.

5 posted on 09/22/2007 6:22:37 PM PDT by dragnet2
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The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention.

Then they are as much at fault for not seeing to it he was getting that medical attention and monitoring their son's behavior. The police officer was doing his job. They should have done theirs.........

6 posted on 09/22/2007 6:24:26 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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Alright... I’ll bite.

What’s wrong with walking around with a machete? Do machetes randomly kill people too (like guns)?


7 posted on 09/22/2007 6:25:25 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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wonder if meth makes him epileptic

Meth can make folks fail to capitalize or punctuate.

8 posted on 09/22/2007 6:25:59 PM PDT by humblegunner (©)
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What’s wrong with walking around with a machete? Do machetes randomly kill people too (like guns)?

If you walk around point a gun at people, they police would be very likely to shoot you too.

9 posted on 09/22/2007 6:26:51 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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A cop orders a guy to drop his machete,the guy refuses and the guy is shot?

Not "guilty"! Next case,please.

10 posted on 09/22/2007 6:26:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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I remember a case years ago in which the parents of a young troubled man called the police because he was threatening them with a knife. The police arrived, cleared the parents out of the house and tried to get the young man to put down the knife. He refused. The police finally had to shoot him.

The parents sued. I don’t think the suit went very far (thankfully), but I just couldn’t help thinking, “What did you think might happen if he refused to obey the police?”


11 posted on 09/22/2007 6:28:17 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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Oh how I wish I were on this jury.


12 posted on 09/22/2007 6:30:11 PM PDT by Southerngl
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What is the reason for walking around Nueces County,TX with a machete? It doesn’t seem related to epilepsy. Was the man drugged up?


13 posted on 09/22/2007 6:30:39 PM PDT by ricks_place
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A cop orders a guy to drop his machete,the guy refuses and the guy is shot?
Not “guilty”! Next case,please.

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I disagree!

The cops are supposed to protect us even from ourselves. What is wrong with a taser in this situation? Why kill a guy if you don’t have to? I don’t know if the guy carrying the machete was a POS or not but waving a knife around in an open space is not a good reason to die. We see kids and little old ladies in wheel chairs getting tasered why not a guy weilding a knife? 10 shots? How about one in the leg?

Seems like more force than necessary to me and I’m not usually on the perp’s side of things, but taking a life is awful final.

14 posted on 09/22/2007 6:38:19 PM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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I think the officer tried non-lethal first, with pepper-spray. It did not work. My guess is the guy wasn't "just walking around" at that point, but was trying to use said machette on the office.

...and that is the difference between this guy and a lady in a wheel chair. This guy had a lethal weapopn that had some reach and you do not get yourself close enough for that weapon to be used. The pepper spray failed, apparently the guy kept coming, the officer shot.

If that is the case, then, indeed, next case.

15 posted on 09/22/2007 6:50:38 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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“I remember a case years ago in which the parents of a young troubled man called the police because he was threatening them with a knife. The police arrived, cleared the parents out of the house and tried to get the young man to put down the knife. He refused. The police finally had to shoot him.

“The parents sued. I don’t think the suit went very far (thankfully), but I just couldn’t help thinking, “What did you think might happen if he refused to obey the police?”

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In all honestly, people call 911 hoping to get proper help. It always makes me cringe when I hear about people calling 911 for help with an out-of-control child or relative and the police arrive and turn it into a kill-or-be-killed situation.

Of course if a cop runs into some random person with a weapon that’s something else entirely, although I still think they pull the trigger a little quick. Don’t they all have Tasers now?


16 posted on 09/22/2007 6:51:50 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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Eureka Ca PD has killed 5 perps in two years. 3 were on meth,1 was on LSD and 1 was off her meds and banishing a flare gun in a apartment building.
17 posted on 09/22/2007 6:57:41 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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If he was close enough to pepper spray then he was close enough to taser!
18 posted on 09/22/2007 6:57:51 PM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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It's probably not a good idea to wave a machete around unsheathed in public if you're an epileptic.

This is one of those cases where the devil is in the details.

I am a little surprised there was no backup en route and equally surprised at the number of rounds fired.

Does anyone know how many were actual hits and where?

Is there a dashcam or audio recording?

Passing vehicle witnesses?

Best regards,

19 posted on 09/22/2007 7:03:43 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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You assume he had a taser. My guess is he didn't and that pepper spray was what he had for non-lethal action...and tried to use.

Should he have "run away" and left the public to deal with a disturbed man wielding a machette?

Of course not. He did his job.

He tried to verbally work with the guy, he tried non-lethal means...but a disturbed man with a machette kept coming.

The officer is hired and sworn to uphold the law and protect citizens and so he defended himself and put the disturbed man down. I am sorry it came to that, but I will not fault the officer based on what I know at this point from the reports.

20 posted on 09/22/2007 7:06:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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