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It's probably not a good idea to wave a machete around unsheathed in public if you're an epileptic.
1 posted on 09/22/2007 6:13:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Especially while strolling down the middle of a freeway.


2 posted on 09/22/2007 6:17:11 PM PDT by SouthTexas
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["The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention. "]

Nonsense. Under the circumstances, the proper resposne was a 9mm touble tap to the chest. Too bad he missed his last therapy appointment.

3 posted on 09/22/2007 6:20:15 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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wonder if meth makes him epileptic


4 posted on 09/22/2007 6:21:52 PM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention.

Oh, the deputy is supposed to be able to figure out a strangers medical status while he's waking down an interstate with a machete in hand? I can only hope those in Texas don't give these people a dime.

5 posted on 09/22/2007 6:22:37 PM PDT by dragnet2
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The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention.

Then they are as much at fault for not seeing to it he was getting that medical attention and monitoring their son's behavior. The police officer was doing his job. They should have done theirs.........

6 posted on 09/22/2007 6:24:26 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Alright... I’ll bite.

What’s wrong with walking around with a machete? Do machetes randomly kill people too (like guns)?


7 posted on 09/22/2007 6:25:25 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Paleo Conservative
A cop orders a guy to drop his machete,the guy refuses and the guy is shot?

Not "guilty"! Next case,please.

10 posted on 09/22/2007 6:26:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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I remember a case years ago in which the parents of a young troubled man called the police because he was threatening them with a knife. The police arrived, cleared the parents out of the house and tried to get the young man to put down the knife. He refused. The police finally had to shoot him.

The parents sued. I don’t think the suit went very far (thankfully), but I just couldn’t help thinking, “What did you think might happen if he refused to obey the police?”


11 posted on 09/22/2007 6:28:17 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Oh how I wish I were on this jury.


12 posted on 09/22/2007 6:30:11 PM PDT by Southerngl
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What is the reason for walking around Nueces County,TX with a machete? It doesn’t seem related to epilepsy. Was the man drugged up?


13 posted on 09/22/2007 6:30:39 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: Paleo Conservative; SouthTexas
Eureka Ca PD has killed 5 perps in two years. 3 were on meth,1 was on LSD and 1 was off her meds and banishing a flare gun in a apartment building.
17 posted on 09/22/2007 6:57:41 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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To: Paleo Conservative
It's probably not a good idea to wave a machete around unsheathed in public if you're an epileptic.

This is one of those cases where the devil is in the details.

I am a little surprised there was no backup en route and equally surprised at the number of rounds fired.

Does anyone know how many were actual hits and where?

Is there a dashcam or audio recording?

Passing vehicle witnesses?

Best regards,

19 posted on 09/22/2007 7:03:43 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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“The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention.”

I think the parents should have seen the signs that their kid is an idiot. As a veteran LEO I have dealt with many types of people with medical conditions...carrying a machete down the interstate never seemed to be a symptom of Epilepsy. Glad that brave Deputy is alright and too bad he has to go through these frivilous suits.


21 posted on 09/22/2007 7:09:38 PM PDT by reaperman345
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Miguel Angel Ramirez was spotted walking down the middle of I-37 and carrying a machete on June 7. Deputy Burl Smith told Ramirez to stop and put down the machete, but Ramirez did not.

Deputy Smith first tried to subdue Ramirez using pepper spray, and then he fired several warning shots. When Ramirez kept moving toward the deputy Smith fired 13 shots at Ramirez hitting him 10 times and killing him.

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Kaelin learned of Ramirez’s medical condition Friday and stood by Smith’s decision to fire.

“The officer in this situation was reacting to an imminent threat to his life,” Kaelin said.

Kaelin said no evidence, based on statements from Smith and witnesses, indicated Ramirez was having a seizure at the time of the incident.

“All things are possible,” Kaelin said. “But, he had a machete in his hand and raised it to strike the officer.”

Family members said he carried a machete because they live in a rural area and he used it to work outdoors. Rosanky is about 80 miles northeast of San Antonio in Bastrop County.

Ramirez’s actions appeared to be deliberate, Kaelin said, adding that seizures are involuntary, meaning a person is unable to control movement. Kaelin also said Ramirez appeared to have raised the machete in a threatening motion to strike the officer.

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25 posted on 09/22/2007 7:25:58 PM PDT by kcvl
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Yet another reason why being a police officer is a tough job.


27 posted on 09/22/2007 7:36:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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The 32-year-old’s family has said he suffered from epileptic seizures that often left him confused and that the deputy should have seen signs Ramirez needed medical attention.

Prior to being medicated our son suffered an epileptic seizure. When the seizure was over he could barely walk, much less carry a machete down the interstate. Since he started taking his medication he has not once had the urge to walk down the interstate carrying a machete.

Guess this guy was on a different kind of medication.

38 posted on 09/22/2007 8:49:47 PM PDT by TheMom (Dix, TexasCowboy and Flyer all now live in the next best place to Texas . . . Heaven!)
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42 posted on 09/22/2007 9:21:40 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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I guess this officer didn’t get his taser traiing.


54 posted on 09/23/2007 6:42:24 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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Sarkozy said immigrants should be selected not endure red. This family of pests is what we have to endure due to Washington DCs open borders policies. I’d love to know when this family got here. I don’t care if they are legal and got here 30 years ago. They are not desirable immigrants


56 posted on 09/23/2007 12:19:44 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Sarkozy)
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Sarkozy said immigrants should be selected not endured. This family of pests is what we have to endure due to Washington DCs open borders policies. I’d love to know when this family got here. I don’t care if they are legal and got here 30 years ago. They are not desirable immigrants


57 posted on 09/23/2007 12:20:01 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Sarkozy)
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