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Let the East Bloom Again (Farming To Expand East Of The Mississippi?)
New York Times ^ | 22 September 2007 | RICHARD T. McNIDER and JOHN R. CHRISTY

Posted on 09/22/2007 6:45:35 AM PDT by shrinkermd

Until the middle of the 1900s, much of our country’s food and fiber was produced east of the Mississippi River. Maine led the nation in potato production in 1940, and New York wasn’t far behind. The South, including Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi, dominated cotton. Large amounts of corn were grown in almost every state for consumption by the local livestock and poultry. Regional vegetable markets, especially in the mid-Atlantic states, served the population centers of the East.

By 1980, Western irrigation and improvements in transportation had largely destroyed this Eastern system of agriculture. Irrigated cotton in Arizona, California and Texas displaced the cotton economy of the Deep South. Idaho and Washington became the nation’s major potato producers. Corn production became more concentrated in the Midwest.

Through irrigation, Western farmers were spared the occasional droughts that had plagued Eastern farmers, but the specialized Western system came with a price. Water projects dried up the area’s rivers. Salmon runs disappeared. Soils were poisoned from the salt in irrigated water that is left behind after evaporation.

Returning agricultural production to the Eastern United States under irrigation would be efficient and environmentally sound. In the West, at least three to four feet of water per acre is needed every year to produce a good crop. In the East, only a few inches of irrigated water per acre are needed, because of the region’s heavier rainfall. Even in a dry year for the East, about a foot of water per acre will suffice.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agriculture; farming; irrigation
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Idea seems to have merit.
1 posted on 09/22/2007 6:45:36 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Don’t suppose the author has been to Michigan, Ohio or Wisconsin. LOTS of farms around here - all east of the Mississippi.


2 posted on 09/22/2007 6:55:14 AM PDT by ODC-GIRL (Proudly serving our Nation's Homeland Defense)
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To: shrinkermd

“Eastern vegetables may not be as perfect as those grown under irrigation in a desert, but if the West returns to a drier climate, imperfect vegetables will look good indeed.”

Perfect must not include taste.


3 posted on 09/22/2007 6:55:59 AM PDT by blueheron2 (Don't be discouraged.)
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To: ODC-GIRL

He has not said there are no farms, but, rather, cotton, row crops are overly dependent on irrigation in the West.


4 posted on 09/22/2007 6:56:42 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

A lot of talk about availability of water. How much land is available east of the Mississippi? Are there large tracts of farm land now unused? Maybe everyone there could have a back yard garden to relieve the need for large farms in the west. I’ll look somewhere other that the NYT for advice about agriculture (or anything else for that matter).


5 posted on 09/22/2007 7:03:50 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: ODC-GIRL

Virginia, North Carolina and Tennessee all have lots and lots of basically fallow land. It hasn’t been farmed in years and is now over grown or in pasture.

If there were a profitable crop...... it could be brought to production.


6 posted on 09/22/2007 7:06:42 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: bert

How much of this land is under the land bank?


7 posted on 09/22/2007 7:09:27 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: FreePaul
How much land is available east of the Mississippi?

It is a myth that we are running out of farm land anywhere in this country.

8 posted on 09/22/2007 7:12:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I don’t think there is still a land bank?

Much is in estates where granma finally died and the grand kids can’t get it all together long enough to deal with it. More is still her’s but she lives there and leases enough to pay taxes and get by.


9 posted on 09/22/2007 7:15:15 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: shrinkermd
By 1980, Western irrigation and improvements in transportation had largely destroyed this Eastern system of agriculture.

Well, no. The biggest factor in the demise of Eastern agriculture was simple economies of scale. By 1980 even the western homestead was obsolete, as the typical 40 to 160 acre family farm had been displaced by major farms covering several thousand acres each. There probably aren't enough contiguous parcels of land east of the Appalachian Mountains that could be used for this kind of operation.

10 posted on 09/22/2007 7:19:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: shrinkermd

They’ll have to cut down tracts of forest to clear land for farming. What once was farmland is now forest which is what it was before settlers farmed the land. A lot of trust fund babies are gonna start crying.


11 posted on 09/22/2007 7:22:12 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: bert
"Virginia, North Carolina and Tennessee all have lots and lots of basically fallow land. It hasn’t been farmed in years and is now over grown or in pasture."

Alabama is 73% forested and forests are growing at a million acres a year.

12 posted on 09/22/2007 7:28:01 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: DManA
We only run out of farm land if we run out of people willing to farm the land. If land is available and farming is an economical use it will happen. The authors of this article seem to lean toward having big brother dictate the best use of land. Post number 10 pretty much sums up the situation in a lot of areas. Any really large acreage is held by the farming corporations.

I know of people, west of the Mississippi, farming five hundred to fifteen hundred acres with the largest contiguous parcel less than one hundred acres. They lease most of the land and may not have it long if developers decide it's good for a subdivision. Not the best way to do it but it's a living.

13 posted on 09/22/2007 7:35:25 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Alberta's Child
There probably aren't enough contiguous parcels of land east of the Appalachian Mountains that could be used for this kind of operation.

You're probably correct about the geography, however, the greatest threat against the family farm is your government through the EPA. They have effectively "taken" resources through the power of government that many cannot afford.
Just try cutting down a tree in order to plant a crop today...

14 posted on 09/22/2007 7:42:55 AM PDT by jcparks (Claire, Its time)
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To: ODC-GIRL
My house is Surrounded by Soy Bean Fields not to mention most of the neighborhood

I was scared a couple years ago when a farmer up the street sold some land off to a developer but only 4 houses popped up ..so far ..guess people don't want to live with crickets and pigs yet that make at least me happy !

15 posted on 09/22/2007 7:45:39 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: jcparks
Just try cutting down a tree in order to plant a crop today...

Wow I've seen those signs on farms in areas that have ponds or good size creeks running through them there's outrageous buffer zones to keep farmers form planting or spraying around them ....funny part is the farmer gives them permission to create the zone and are compensated for some of the loss they even have some places you cant even walk on let alone use for farming ..

16 posted on 09/22/2007 7:53:24 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: bert

Tobacco.


17 posted on 09/22/2007 7:57:25 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: shrinkermd

Nice idea, but not gonna happen. First reason is the trees.
Used to be 100 years ago, the trees were all cleared and there were subsistence farms everywhere in extreme Northeast PA. Now the trees are back covering all of what used to be farmed 100 years ago. All over the Northeast as you drive along roads you will see stonewalls wandering off into the woods. Those woods used to be open fields.

Environmentalists aren’t going to let trees be cut. They represent potential habitat for wolves, cougar, lynx and moose.

Not to mention that the author’s estimate of water needed for crops is way off base (too low). Also the water in many of the big rivers in the East is already allocated. Where we live the Delaware River Basin Authority was mumbling something about limiting private water wells in Northeast PA to “save” water in the aquifer for the big cities downstream.

I do believe every person who can should have a garden and grow fruits and vegetables for one’s family.


18 posted on 09/22/2007 8:17:32 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
funny part is the farmer gives them permission to create the zone and are compensated for some of the loss they even have some places you cant even walk on let alone use for farming

The EPA uses extorsion to elicit "permission" from the small farmer. He cannot begin to challenge the forces of the feral government. Some have tried, that's why they're gone.
For a good look at the "zones", you really need to take a low level aircraft flight across our fruited plains and see the boundaries set up around "drainage ditches" also known as gullies. The EPA is an out-of-control government bureaucracy that cannot be challenged in a court of law. It is used to the benefit of the large corporate entities that wish to take control of the production of our food.

19 posted on 09/22/2007 8:27:18 AM PDT by jcparks (Claire, Its time)
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To: finnsheep
Yes, exactly. eastern family farms went away because they were inefficient, and the climate not favorable as compared to the west. On western farms you can easily have 3 crops per year vs 1 in the east.

These idiot liberals have no concept of the way the world works. Agricultural technology and the warmer climate of the west allows much more food to be grown on fewer acres. That means less productive land in the east can go back to nature - i.e. trees - or put to more productive use as homes or industry.

The environmental plan of the left is to use millions of acres of these less efficient lands for diffuse energy production - wind, solar, bio mass and food grown close-to-urban areas (because they think tranporting food over 20 miles wastes energy). It will be incredibly destructive to land that has now gone back to nature. These people with their foolish ideas are anti-environmentalists.

20 posted on 09/22/2007 8:40:30 AM PDT by BigBobber
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