Posted on 09/22/2007 5:36:32 AM PDT by kellynla
New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer is preparing to announce a new policy that will enable illegal aliens to obtain a driver's license.
The state's Department of Motor Vehicles no longer will require applicants to provide Social Security numbers or proof they're eligible for Social Security cards, the New York Post and New York Sun reported.
Under the new rules, valid foreign passports, previous state driver's licenses and other verifiable proofs of ID will be considered on a point-based system, according to a source who spoke to the Post.
"The DMV does not believe it's in the business checking a person's legal status; it's not the INS," the source said.
The Sun said county clerks around the state came to Albany yesterday to discuss the new policy with DMV officials, according to a source.
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Spitzer said last year during the gubernatorial campaign he would allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, because banning them would make life worse for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers without adding to security.
Restricting access to licenses drives illegals "into the shadows, creating a class of people with no public records," said Spitzer spokeswoman Christine Anderson in October.
After the 9/11 attacks, then-Gov. George Pataki issued an executive order requiring driver's-license applicants to show a Social Security number to prove their residency status, the Post noted.
Opponents of lifting restrictions point out the 9/11 hijackers had at least 35 licenses, enabling them to open bank accounts and rent cars.
Congress reacted in 2005 with the Real ID Act, which requires states to adopt national standards for driver's licenses by the end of 2009.
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Once again, renegade politicians direct our country in the downhill slide our forefathers warned against by doing what they want to do. Who says we live in a representitive government, I believe we are now another socialist western nation on the decline and verging on economic collapse as morality is destroyed in the quest for utopia among the elitist blind guides called politicians.
Spitzer and Bush are now responsible for all crimes committed by illegal aliens.
Fine. Then Jose Jimenez would have his license suspended. The next time he is stopped, the cop would simply inform him of that and throw him in jail for driving without a valid license, failure to appear, no insurance, providing false information to state authorities, and whatever else they could think of.
A $5,000 fine and six months in jail should make people think twice.
A driver's license should be simply that -- a photo, a state issued license number, and a name. That (plus vehicle registration and proof of insurance) are all that's necessary to present if you are stopped for a traffic violation.
Do you like giving out all your personal information to the state (SS#, where you live, access to all your court records, etc.) when all you were doing was 50 in a 35?
“They have no business whatsoever knowing anything else about you, even including where you live”.
That is until one kills several dozen legal citizens, or turns out to be a terrorist that kills thousands...
THEN the authorities will surely be to blame and we’ll endlessly hear from CNN:
WHY didn’t “they” (the authorities) know where this person lived?
HOW did “they” let this happen?
etc. etc. etc.
Not a peep will be uttered about this assinine decision, let alone the illegal’s responsibilities.
Besides, I’m missing the logic...if you’re here illegally how on earth do you obtain legal documentation of ANY sort? Be it a driver’s license or a membership at blockbusters?
And, of course, they will be able to vote too—thanks to the Motor Voter law. Thanks you George Herbert Walker Bush!
It depends. Do you have to be a citizen to obtain, say, a license to practice medicine? Cut hair? Fly a plane? Drive a car? Sell homes? Rent movies?
If so, then yes, proof of citizenship is required. If not, then who cares (provided you pass the requirements)?
You're trying to turn a driver's license into a National ID Card. Why? It's a license to drive. Period. Plus, not everyone drives. Now what?
"WHY didn’t “they” (the authorities) know where this person lived?"
Huh?
Mohammed is given a ticket for doing 50 in a 35. Now we know where he lives. Okay, so?
How does that help us prevent Mohammed from blowing something up 18 months later? What, all Muslims who speed are to be considered suspected jihadists?
But in the meantime 'Jose' has a completely new identity since there is no record of who he actually is.
YES THEY ARE IF THEY DO MOTOR VOTER!
Post #13 well said Robert.
IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Allowing illegals to have licenses gives them standign to sue in all sorts of auto cases, it gives them defenses they should not be allowed as CRIMINALS in the USA.
IT ALSO GIVES THEM ACCESS TO MOTOR VOTER REGISTRATION.
ILLEGAL ALIENS VOTING IS THE REASON FOR THE DL ISSUANCE.
the future cadre of the democrat progressives has to be taken care of. (and you’ll also have to pay for their brown shirts.)
Oh, you want to issue identity cards? Well, that's completely different. For that we need birth certificates, passports, utility bills, etc.
I thought we were discussing driver's licenses. There, Jose merely has to prove he knows the Rules of the Road.
If charged with a moving violation, perhaps Jose forfeits his license until the fine is paid in cash to the city clerk, or he pays using a check or credit card, or perhaps some sort of bond card.
Certainly if another person is injured or if there is damage to property (ie., going beyond a mere traffic violation), it would be entirely appropriate at that time to request identification. And that ID better match the driver's license.
The rest of the States should announce that NY Drivers licenses will no longer be recognized.
DL IS AN IDENTITY CARD.
Legally speaking DMV’s issue ID cards as a matter of convenience since they have the equiptment.
DL issuance is a key to show LEGALITY TO BE HERE.
An illegal alien violates the international treaties on driver’s license mutual recognition. (just go to your AAA and obtain the document which shows your license is valid in your home country) The treaties require the person BE LEGALLY IN THE USA.
This is doubly sadistic because mexico actually has a seperate treaty from the 1940’s with the USA.
The spanish language newspapers and tv stations are lauding this as a tremendous victory for “immigration” rights. The next step is to demand the right to vote without being citizens and the right to schools in your own language. Weare headed that way one way or another. The elites have already decided where they are headed. Don’t forget that our mr. Bush is also in fovor of such solutions. The rest of us be dammed.
Doesn't the DMV check legal status in other cases? Like deadbeat dads, registered sex offenders, etc?
Just killing citizens Americans don't want to kill...
Hmmmmm. My barber has a license. Actually, so does the bartender at my local watering hole. Prominently posted, too. Can they present those as ID?
Yet, for some strange reason, you believe a driver's license should be an identity card. Well, it can be, I guess, but since it's issued by the state (not the federal government), I don't see how another state could use it to positively identify someone.
"Legally speaking DMV’s issue ID cards as a matter of convenience since they have the equiptment."
You mean for those who don't drive yet want an ID. Yes, they do. Using "proof" required by that state -- it could simply be a utility bill, I don't know.
If your state wants to accept that as legal identification, be my guest. But don't expect my state to recognize it as ID.
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