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But...but....there are no transitional fossils I thought...

Of course I'm sure creationists will have a ready retort, no matter how convoluted.

1 posted on 09/20/2007 7:51:39 AM PDT by Alter Kaker
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Cool1


2 posted on 09/20/2007 7:52:47 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Ping!


3 posted on 09/20/2007 7:53:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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Y’all keep up the faith. Keep digging, and have fun.


4 posted on 09/20/2007 7:56:58 AM PDT by pallis
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Homo
5 posted on 09/20/2007 7:57:08 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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“We still don’t know exactly what we have got here,” David O. Lordkipanidze, the excavation leader, said

One thing: the C/E debate hasn't shown signs of evolution.

6 posted on 09/20/2007 7:58:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000', oil above 82: unexplained)
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Why stir up this crap here again (ps I agree with you), when we have a War and an Election to win.
7 posted on 09/20/2007 7:59:09 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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The discovery of four fossil skeletons of early human ancestors in Georgia,

Did one of them look like this?:


8 posted on 09/20/2007 8:00:05 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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Quotes from the article:

“We still don’t know exactly what we’ve got”

“discovery could lead to breakthroughs”

“Maybe different species”

“My hunch is a single variable species”

Your comment is pretty strong given the sort of amorphous, conditional nature of the understanding of this as set out in the New York Time’s piece.


9 posted on 09/20/2007 8:00:07 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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Transitional fossils = Fossils of unknown origin that evolutionists try to claim as evidence of evolution.

Never mind, of course, that all "missing links" between ape and man have been debunked over time in the most embarrassing ways for evolutionists.

And, of course, the fossil record shows species appearing suddenly and fully formed, matching the Creationist model and completely refuting Darwin.

Over 250 million fossils from 250,000 species have been found, yet only a handful are even compatible with evolution and not one that can't fit into a Creationist model. If Darwin was right, there should be millions of transitional fossils.

What we have here is a lie even bigger than global warming hoax.

10 posted on 09/20/2007 8:07:19 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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“Fossils Reveal Clues on Human Ancestor (transitional fossil alert)”

H-ll, I worked with some transitional fossils in academia!
(being facetious...to some degree)


13 posted on 09/20/2007 8:11:53 AM PDT by VOA
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Good find.


15 posted on 09/20/2007 8:14:04 AM PDT by mysterio
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"Instead of finding the gradual unfolding of life, what geologists in Darwin's time and geologists of the present day actually find is a highly uneven or jerky record; that is, species appear in the sequences very suddenly, show little or no change during their existence in the record, then abruptly go out of the record."

(D. Raup "Conflicts Between Darwin and Paleontology," Bulletin Field Museum of Natural History 50 (Jan, 1979)).

"As is well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the fossil record." (Tom Kemp, Oxford University)

"The history of most fossil species include two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:

1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless;

2. Sudden appearances. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and 'fully formed'."

(Gould, S.J. (1977), "Evolution's Erratic Pace", Natural History, vol. 86, May)

"In most people's minds, fossils and Evolution go hand in hand. In reality, fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation. If Evolution were true, we should find literally millions of fossils that show how one kind of life slowly and gradually changed to another kind of life. But missing links are the trade secret, in a sense, of paleontology. The point is, the links are still missing. What we really find are gaps that sharpen up the boundaries between kinds. It's those gaps which provide us with the evidence of Creation of separate kinds. As a matter of fact, there are gaps between each of the major kinds of plants and animals. Transition forms are missing by the millions. What we do find are separate and complex kinds, pointing to Creation."

(Dr Gary Parker Biologist/paleontologist and former ardent Evolutionist.)

"When you look for links between major groups of animals, they simply aren't there; at least not in enough numbers to put their status beyond doubt. Either they don't exist at all, or they are so rare that endless argument goes on about whether a particular fossil is, or isn't, or might be, transitional between this group and that."

(Francis Hitching, The Neck of the Giraffe, gpg. 19`)

19 posted on 09/20/2007 8:17:00 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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"...I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustrations of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly would have included them...Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils...I will lay it on the line - there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.'

Personal letter from Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History in London, to L. Sunderland

"A five million year old piece of bone that was thought to be the collarbone of a human like creature is actually part of a dolphin rib...The problem with a lot of anthropologists is that they want so much to find a hominid that any scrap of bone becomes a hominid bone."

Dr. Tim White (anthropologist, University of California, Berkeley), as quoted by Ian Anderson in New Scientist, April 28, 1983, p. 199

"In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit in with it."

H. S. Lipson, FRS (Professor of Physics, Univ. of Manchester, UK), 'A physicist looks at evolution', Physics Bulletin, vol. 31, 1980, p. 138

24 posted on 09/20/2007 8:24:07 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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oh, cool...transitional fossil evidence...they finally dug up one...they think.


26 posted on 09/20/2007 8:26:44 AM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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“Of course I’m sure creationists will have a ready retort, no matter how convoluted.”

Really no reason to do so friend. Those that hold to a “evolutionary” worldview won’t change their views, short of the miraculous. And those of us called “Creationists” won’t abandon our faith (I’m not ashamed to call it that).

So, the point is....Why continue to bother?


33 posted on 09/20/2007 8:33:01 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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“They may also yield insights into the first members of the human genus, Homo.”

Being facetious, I never cared much for being in the genus “Homo.” :-)


36 posted on 09/20/2007 8:34:58 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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Two new gaps bump.


42 posted on 09/20/2007 8:46:26 AM PDT by edsheppa
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idiot...leaky found ‘Lucy’s” knee 1/2 mile down river from the rest of her... the knee was the ‘transitional bone”
there was then, and is now no evidence the knee bone was part of ‘lucy”, and these bones now are the same fraud.

you may now give your ‘convoluted retort”


46 posted on 09/20/2007 8:55:02 AM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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neither side is gonna convince the other they are wrong. So why do you folks even try.

53 posted on 09/20/2007 9:35:39 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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Creationist do not have to retort, but it is interesting how those who adhere to evolution believe that a set of dead bones is proof of evolution.

Bones are not proof of any thing more than something lived and died.

There is not one shred of proof that the living organism was different than it's parents or that it had any offspring of any kind like it's self or different.

Nice try but keep the faith in your religious belief that non living matter can produce life.
88 posted on 09/29/2007 5:22:45 PM PDT by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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