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Dobson Says He Won't Support Thompson
AP ^ | 9/19/07 | Erik Gorski

Posted on 09/19/2007 7:14:10 PM PDT by pissant

DENVER (AP) — James Dobson, one of the nation's most politically influential evangelical Christians, made it clear in a message to friends this week he will not support Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson.

In a private e-mail obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, Dobson accuses the former Tennessee senator and actor of being weak on the campaign trail and wrong on issues dear to social conservatives.

"Isn't Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S., favors McCain-Feingold, won't talk at all about what he believes, and can't speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail?" Dobson wrote.

"He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent 'want to.' And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!"

The founder and chairman of Colorado Springs-based Focus on the Family, Dobson draws a radio audience in the millions, many of whom who first came to trust the child psychologist for his conservative Christian advice on child-rearing.

Gary Schneeberger, a Focus on the Family spokesman, confirmed that Dobson wrote the e-mail. Schneeberger declined to comment further, saying it would be inappropriate because Dobson's comments about presidential candidates are made as an individual and not as a representative of Focus on the Family, a nonprofit organization restricted from partisan politics.

Dobson's strong words about Thompson underscore the frustration and lack of unity among Christian conservatives about the GOP field. Some Christian right leaders have pinned their hopes on Thompson, describing him as a Southern-fried Ronald Reagan. But others have voiced doubts in recent weeks about some of the same issues Dobson highlighted: his position on gay marriage and support for the 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform legislation.

Dobson and other Christian conservatives support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would bar gay marriage nationally. Thompson has said he would support a constitutional amendment that would prohibit states from imposing their gay marriage laws on other states, which falls well short of that.

Karen Hanretty, a spokeswoman for the Thompson campaign, said Wednesday in response to the Dobson e-mail: "Fred Thompson has a 100 percent pro-life voting record. He believes strongly in returning authority to the levels of government closest to families and communities, protecting states from intrusion by the federal government and activist judges.

"We're confident as voters get to know Fred, they'll appreciate his conservative principles, and he is the one conservative in this race who can win the nomination and can go on to defeat the Democratic nominee."

In his e-mail addressed "Dear friends," Dobson includes the text of a recent news story highlighting Thompson's statement that while he was baptized in the Church of Christ, he does not attend church regularly and won't speak about his faith on the stump.

U.S. News and World Report quoted Dobson earlier this year as questioning Thompson's commitment to the Christian faith — comments Dobson contended were not put in proper context. Dobson in this week's e-mail writes that suppositions "about the former senator's never having professed to be a Christian are turning out to be accurate in substance."

Earlier this year, Dobson said he wouldn't back John McCain because of the Arizona senator's opposition to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

Later, Dobson wrote on a conservative news Web site that he wouldn't support former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani should he win the Republican nomination. Dobson called Giuliani an "unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand" and criticized him for signing a bill in 1997 creating domestic-partnership benefits in New York City.

Last week, Dobson announced on his radio show that the IRS had cleared him of accusations that he had endangered his organization's nonprofit status by endorsing Republican candidates in 2004. The IRS said Dobson, who endorsed President Bush's re-election bid, was acting as an individual and not on behalf of the nonprofit group.


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To: Greg F

And — On August 3, 1966, Bruce was found dead at the age of 40 in the bathroom of his Hollywood Hills home at 8825 Hollywood Boulevard. The “official” photo, taken at the scene, showed a naked Bruce, a syringe and burned bottle cap nearby, along with various other narcotics paraphernalia. His official cause of death was acute morphine poisoning caused by an accidental overdose.


1,321 posted on 09/27/2007 7:38:04 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Elsie
Warm, blue-green water and surf will rejuvenate me!

Washes away the stress demon!
.
1,322 posted on 09/27/2007 8:37:22 AM PDT by radioman
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To: pissant
Mr. Dobson, as a primarily religious voice, should stay out of the business of endorsing candidates. Period.

Imagine the outcry if the pope, or even perhaps a cardinal, were to publicly endorse or denounce by name a candidate...

To paraphrase Gen Savage (Gregory Peck) from Twelve O'Clock High -
"Padre, your business is sin. In the future you will confine your efforts to that theater of operations."

1,323 posted on 09/27/2007 8:40:27 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Guenevere

Sure!

Have fun and do NOT camp next to a hornet’s nest, like my sound booth buddy did LAST week!


1,324 posted on 09/27/2007 10:48:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueNgold

Wouldn’t it be a QUIET place here, if we ALL stayed to our PRIMARY calling in life?


1,325 posted on 09/27/2007 10:51:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueNgold
Mr. Dobson, as a primarily religious voice, should stay out of the business of endorsing candidates. Period.

I don't know if you read the rest of the thread, since you commented on the 1st post to it, but Dobson is not a a priest or a preacher. He runs a ministry that focuses on the family, which necessarily gets him involved in politics since the family is under almost constant attack these days from legal changes related to divorce, homosexual marriage, childrearing, schooling, religion in schools, sex education, abortion, and the like. He doesn't have a theology degree or anything like that, and as far as I know has never studied to be a minister. His degree is in child psychology and he is a Christian running a ministry, but it's not a church.

1,326 posted on 09/27/2007 11:13:12 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: BlueNgold

“Mr. Dobson, as a primarily religious voice, should stay out of the business of endorsing candidates. Period.”

Mr. Dobson respectfully declines your suggestion that practicing one element of the First Amendment (freedom of religion) somehow makes him — or any of the rest of us — ineligible to exercise another element (freedom of speech).

Dobson, the Pope, and anyone else should be free to comment on politics to their heart’s content. If any member of their organizations doesn’t like it, they’re free to leave said organization.

If you don’t like it, who cares?


1,327 posted on 09/27/2007 1:06:12 PM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

“Please tell me what exactly stops the bad guys from using the mechanisms of govt to do bad things now.”

Us.

It just becomes much more difficult to do so if our guys are asking for the same method. Then we’re no longer able to stand on the ground of being the party of less government, but only on saying that male-female marriage is Godly and a cornerstone of civilization.

Of course the other side believes otherwise. Then it’s just a matter of whose opinion prevails. If we say ‘no’ to the whole idea of social dictates through Constitutional amendments, then we can oppose them on both the grounds that they are wrong AND that their very approach is wrong.

Lastly, even Amendments get interpreted by judges, whether circuit court or Supreme Court, and I think that’s just the sort of issue we do not want the Nine to fiddle with. It’s much easier to keep judges from ‘creatively’ interpreting something which merely prevents one state’s idea of marriage from being forced on others.

Anyway I respect your opinion - and likely I won’t change it, nor you mine. Fortunately, unlike lock-step liberal ‘thinking’ it is possible for various opinions to exist within conservatism.


1,328 posted on 09/28/2007 10:21:31 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: No.6

“Us” hasn’t been terribly effective at that.

In fact, some of “us” are trying to stop judges from doing bad things by using the Constitutional amendment process authored by the same people who thought up federalism.

Supporting a universal guarantee of speech, assembly, gun ownership, freedom from slavery and the various other guarantees in the Constitution does not make us supporters of big government, and many of those universal guarantees are also “social.” Conversely, saying that it oughtta be up to the states to decide slavery or life or even marriage doesn’t make us defenders of “limited govt” in any laudable way.

Anyway, salute to the Fighter Group.


1,329 posted on 09/28/2007 11:34:37 AM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: Elsie
OK Elsie, I'm back from the camping trip...:)

To answer your question, let's start with the thief on the cross...

...I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise..Luke 23:43

Elsie, I believe the souls of believers instantly go to God...

..the glorified bodies await Christ' return.

1,330 posted on 09/30/2007 4:43:57 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere

...I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise..Luke 23:43

Elsie, I believe the souls of believers instantly go to God...


I can see how you can believe that, for it appears that some in the Scriptures have done exactly that.

However, some also interpret 'paradise' with Purgatory, God's waiting room.   (I'm not one of them.)

 

Here are some verses I've collected to prove illustrate my viewpoint:

 



NIV John 11:11-15
 11.  After he had said this, he went on to tell them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up."
 12.  His disciples replied, "Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better."
 13.  Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
 14.  So then he told them plainly, "Lazarus is dead,
 
(If Lazarus was in God's presense, he would have been upset to have to return to this fallen Earth.)
 
 

NIV Acts 7:59-60
 59.  While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
 60.  Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." When he had said this, he fell asleep.
 
 
 
NIV Acts 13:36
   "For when David had served God's purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his fathers and his body decayed.
 
 
 
NIV 1 Corinthians 11:28-30
 28.  A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup.
 29.  For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.
 30.  That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
 
 
1 Corinthians 15
  1.  Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
  2.  By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
  3.  For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
  4.  that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
  5.  and that he appeared to Peter,  and then to the Twelve.
  6.  After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of  whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.
  7.  Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,
  8.  and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
  9.  For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
 10.  But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them--yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.
 11.  Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
 12.  But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
 13.  If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
 14.  And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
 15.  More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
 16.  For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
 17.  And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
 18.  Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
 19.  If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
 20.  But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
 

NIV 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
 13.  Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope.
 14.  We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
 15.  According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
 16.  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 
 17.  After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
 18.  Therefore encourage each other with these words.
 
 
(If the 'dead' are going to rise, then they'll have to come BACK from GOD's presense and get back into the graves!)
 

 

1,331 posted on 10/02/2007 3:47:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Thank-you Elsie...

I'm about to run out the door for a doctor's visit, but Lord willing, I shall return and answer your post :))

1,332 posted on 10/02/2007 4:49:21 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere

Lord; give ‘im a good report!


1,333 posted on 10/02/2007 4:53:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
God bless you hon...
..leaving now.
1,334 posted on 10/02/2007 5:18:01 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Elsie
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord....2nd Corinthians 5:8

My friend, I believe we must agree to disagree...

..I thank you so much for your prayers, thank-you!!!

...I await the test results, knowing God is sovereign and has all my days numbered anyway :)

He knew me before I was....He alone knows what will happen tomorrow or the next day or 50 years from now, because He wrote the end of the chapter.

Thy will be done.

1,335 posted on 10/02/2007 12:51:22 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere

I rather be with the Lord as well, but, thAt verse is expressing what Paul would like, not telling the rest of us exactly what is going to happen.


1,336 posted on 10/03/2007 4:14:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
OK ...
...Let's agree to disagree.
God bless.
1,337 posted on 10/03/2007 4:33:11 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Alter Kaker

“Um...one of the recipients forwarded it to the AP.”

***

If I were the good Reverend, I might want to find out who that person is. At the very least, I would be careful who I trust.


1,338 posted on 10/03/2007 4:42:25 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Guenevere

But just WHAT are we disagreeing about?

“If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all”

1 Peter 3: 15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:


1,339 posted on 10/03/2007 9:00:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greg F

Besides this is the most common argument those who don’t like the opinions of Christians use to try to shut us up.....

we don’t use a similar arguments on the non-Christians. we allow free speech just like our founding fathers did who were overwhelmingly Christian.


1,340 posted on 10/03/2007 9:05:51 AM PDT by applpie
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