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Can the U.S. Live Without Blackwater?
Time ^ | September 19, 2007 | BRIAN BENNETT/TRAVELING WITH SECRETARY RICE

Posted on 09/19/2007 10:50:31 AM PDT by presidio9

During a telephone conversation on Monday night, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki agreed that U.S. diplomats must be free to travel around Iraq, but how they will do that is now a point of contention. The U.S. embassy in Baghdad relies heavily on Blackwater security to guard its personnel as they visit government ministries and other sites around Iraq. American diplomats have not been able to travel outside the Green Zone since Iraq suspended Blackwater's license following a firefight Sunday that resulted in the deaths of at least eight Iraqi civilians. "We're there to strengthen the capacity of the Iraqi Government. We're not able to do that all in the Green Zone," Rice said she told Maliki in the conversation. And, she said, he agreed.

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Rice told the press traveling with her on a Mideast mission that the U.S. Deputy Chief of Mission in Baghdad met with Maliki's office on Tuesday and the two governments are negotiating a way for the embassy to operate safely and allay Iraq's concerns about what it says is a pattern of excessive use of force by Blackwater. The State Department confirmed Wednesday that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has stopped all ground movement of American diplomats throughout Iraq outside the Green Zone. "They are working toward mechanisms that might allow us to address these issues together," Rice said during an overnight flight to Jerusalem where she is meeting with Israeli and Palestinian leaders in the run-up to a possible November summit.

But Maliki offered his own solution on Wednesday, recommending that the U.S. embassy in Baghdad change the company it uses to provide security. "This crime has generated a lot of hatred in the government and the people against Blackwater," Maliki told reporters. "For their own interests, the Americans should hire a new company to protect their people so they can move freely." The Iraqi premier also ordered a full investigation into Sunday's fire fight. Yesterday, Iraq's Ministry of the Interior released an account of the incident that differed substantially from the official U.S. report. The ministry said that Blackwater initiated the firefight, killing as many as 20


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blackwater; blackwaterusa; civiliancontractors; gwot
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1 posted on 09/19/2007 10:50:36 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
I don't even have to read a single sentence.

The article is from TIME.

2 posted on 09/19/2007 10:51:35 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: presidio9

Sure. Send in the Whitewater folks. They will draw the fire away from the good guys.


3 posted on 09/19/2007 10:52:41 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: presidio9
I have no problem with Blackwater. But I do wonder why the Diplomatic Security Section isn't handling security for State Dept. Personnel.

There's an entire agency devoted to protecting the Diplomatic Corps. Why is a private contractor needed?

L

4 posted on 09/19/2007 10:53:26 AM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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To: presidio9
Yes.

Iraq, not so much

5 posted on 09/19/2007 10:55:17 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: presidio9
"This crime has generated a lot of hatred in the government and the people against Blackwater," Maliki told reporters.

What crime!!? What's he talking about? Bad guys ambushed motorcade. Good guys shot back. Some of the injured and killed may or may not have been civilians caught in the middle of a firefight.

6 posted on 09/19/2007 10:55:28 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: Lurker

Blackwater has a contract to defend Embassy personnel around the world now. They pretty much are DSS now.


7 posted on 09/19/2007 10:56:26 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: presidio9

Someone needs to explain to me how we can get the capital under control, and then need to destroy Blackwater’s capability to move about.

It’s easy enough to explain that the Blackwater group came under fire and returned it. So what gives here?

Is this evidence of ‘failure of leadership’ in the theater or from back in the U.S.?

Good grief. Buck up folks. Get Blackwater back in the game and let’s start moving ahead here.


8 posted on 09/19/2007 10:56:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Sorry Hillderella, but the Hsu fits...)
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I cannot live without Blackwater. They currently fly my mail in to my site here in Afghanistan.


9 posted on 09/19/2007 10:57:26 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: presidio9

More details and a balanced report.

http://www.blackwaterblogger.com/


10 posted on 09/19/2007 10:58:01 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Lurker
Why is a private contractor needed?

A long time ago after somebody read Atlas Shrugged it was noticed that the gov't was doing many things that the private sector could do more efficiently. This led by a leap of logic to the gov't contracting out services rather than having gov't employees do those services. This is how gov't has kept its number of employees down while taking an ever larger chunk of the national product. This won't be a question in the college Civics test.

11 posted on 09/19/2007 10:59:56 AM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000', oil above 82: unexplained)
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To: Lurker

Ex Special Ops Guys have to work somewhere.


12 posted on 09/19/2007 11:00:55 AM PDT by SgtSki
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; RDTF; Candor7; txflake; shield; Romulus; LadyNavyVet; Allegra

PING, per yesterday’s discussion on Blackwater.


13 posted on 09/19/2007 11:03:25 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: DoughtyOne
Is State really this gullable, or are they faking it? Because if they're not faking it, we're all in deep-do trouble!
14 posted on 09/19/2007 11:03:43 AM PDT by desertlily
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To: presidio9
"For their own interests, the Americans should hire a new company to protect their people so they can move freely."

Unfortunately, Al Maliki, I don't think there is another company with Blackwater's resources and capabilities.

15 posted on 09/19/2007 11:05:38 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

? So is Maliki just saying he wants to see a different DBA/TIN on the license? That’s easy enough.


16 posted on 09/19/2007 11:05:55 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: presidio9

Blackwater leaves, and Maliki’s life expectancy decreases proportionally in my opinion.

I’m not sure if thats a good thing, or a bad thing.


17 posted on 09/19/2007 11:08:17 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Lurker

They (The DSS) are not equipped to deal with something of this magnitude.

Rather than expanding a government agency, they’ve tapped a viable resource (Blackwater) that already performs that mission for private industry and government in Iraq.

Blackwater has assets that the DSS would have to pull from The Army (helos, armor, etc.). Also, DSS is more organized around “Executive Protection” and Iraq is far beyond that. A quasi-military agency (easy, I just don’t have a better term) like Blackwater is much more suited to the theater in Iraq.


18 posted on 09/19/2007 11:13:59 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: GeronL
I know some of the folks in this business and these include some that have been trained by Blackwater. Word is that the DSS and US specops agencies have been experiencing an exodus of operators over the past few years.

The former government/military folks have been signing on with Blackwater and other private security outfits for multiples of two, three or more of their Government pay.

Some are entering such private-sector activities as bail fugitive recovery, which (not frequently) can be quite lucrative.

The bad news is that the skills these follks bring to the industry represents overkill (no pun intended) and they seldom bother to obtain professional training from the one or possibly two credible organizations that provide same, and they do not even bother with such inconveniences as state laws concerning licensure/registration, lawful bail (re)arrests, transport, etc., and often lack the social skills necessary in dealing with bail bondsmen and other recovery agents.

I generally chose to not become associated with guys who show up in cammies and whose introductions are replete with claims concerning their martial arts and weaponry prowess.

That said, some the veterans who do bother to enter the profession via proper training and mentoring often turn out to be excellent agents. Indeed, they come in handy re: skips who initiate foot chases or unnecessary know-down/drag-outs during what generally are arrests without incident or injury....

19 posted on 09/19/2007 11:16:52 AM PDT by tracer
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To: presidio9
Time stinks

enough said

20 posted on 09/19/2007 11:18:06 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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