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Government efforts to help borrowers anger some in U.S.
International Herald Tribune ^ | September 18, 2007 | J.W. Elphinstone

Posted on 09/18/2007 1:27:04 PM PDT by vietvet67

NEW YORK: As more U.S. states and cities struggle to find the money to bail out homeowners caught up in the housing downturn, some Americans are wondering why government should be rewarding people for their greed or irresponsibility.

Some, like Thomas Roach of Sarasota, Florida, are even actively campaigning against a bailout for people who, using easy credit and exotic mortgages, bought more home than they could afford on a bet to make easy profits from rising real estate prices.

Even before President George W. Bush put forth his proposals to help troubled homeowners last month, Roach, a 30-year-old information technology specialist for a financial firm, had posted an online petition called "Tax Payers Against a Wall Street and Mortgage Bailout." It has collected nearly 3,800 signatures in two weeks.

"What the government doesn't realize is that these people knew what they were getting into," said Roach. "They just thought that these housing prices were going to keep going up and up. A bailout sets such a bad precedent. You're encouraging bad behavior."

Roach is one of many questioning the government's role in repairing the mortgage mess, even as various federal and local plans try to stave off a potential deluge of foreclosures on the horizon. Some states and counties are using bond sales or fees collected from late payment of property taxes to help homeowners refinance into traditional fixed-rate loans, while the federal government is considering giving money to agencies that counsel delinquent borrowers.

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KEYWORDS: fed; freshcarrion; mortgage; vulturegram
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1 posted on 09/18/2007 1:27:07 PM PDT by vietvet67
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As more U.S. states and cities struggle to find the money to bail out homeowners caught up in the housing downturn buying more house than they could afford...,

There, fixed it.

2 posted on 09/18/2007 1:31:41 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: vietvet67
"What the government doesn't realize is that these people knew what they were getting into," said Roach.

I wonder if he's looked at the actual details of these plans, or if he's just imagining the characteristics of people he likes to hate, and then does so.

3 posted on 09/18/2007 1:32:04 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: vietvet67

Lenders, not the gov’t, should be cutting deals with borrowers to stave off forclosures.


4 posted on 09/18/2007 1:32:26 PM PDT by umgud
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To: vietvet67
I'm totally sick of these people being referred to as "victims" and the shady loan companies also as being "victimized" looking for taxpayers for handouts.

If they bought a car they couldn't pay for or home theater system on credit and didn't make the payments, do we, the taxpayers OWE it to either party to pony up with the cash to bail everyone out?

NOT HARDLY!!!!!

5 posted on 09/18/2007 1:32:40 PM PDT by zerosix (<Native Sunflower>)
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To: vietvet67

Bbbbut .... Ben Bernanke just threw a few hundred billion dollars at the problem. Won’t that fix it?


6 posted on 09/18/2007 1:32:49 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mitt bit the apple. Hillary will stuff it down your throat!)
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To: Moonman62
Buying more house than one can afford, and/or signing a sub-prime mortgage is a gamble. A gamble that is often worth the risk, but a gamble nonetheless.

Should hard working taxpayers cover gamblers' losses at casinos, too? How about folks who lose money in the stock market?

The 2007 No Bookie Left Behind Act


7 posted on 09/18/2007 1:38:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: vietvet67
Even before President George W. Bush put forth his proposals to help troubled homeowners last month...

It was Bush's policies that gave us this mess in the first place.

In September 2001, Bush and Vicente Fox signed the Partnership for Prosperity agreement (with Mexico).

This opened the doors for the New Alliance Task Force, which relaxed the banking and lending regulations to allow Mexican illegal aliens to obtain US bank accounts, business, home and auto loans using only a Mexican Matricula Consular card as ID and a US tax return with an ITIN as proof of employment history.

Banks responded by placing their representatives in Mexican consulates to explain how Mexican illegal aliens could take advantage of Bush's new banking policies.

Now, in 2007, Bush wants the US taxpayers to bail out his banking buddies and Mexican illegal aliens after they supplied one sub-prime loan after another to these criminal applicants.

8 posted on 09/18/2007 1:38:29 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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All they’re saying is that if you paid your loan on time before the rate went up, it’s probable that you’d still pay on time if the payment hadn’t increased. FHA guidelines were amended.

You still have to prove income and have 3% equity in the property as of TODAY’s appraisal.

Realistically, most of these people would have qualified for FHA back when they bought the house, and would have qualified before these changes were made had they refinanced before their interest rate went up.

So really, it’s amending FHA for people that already should have gotten FHA loans before today.


9 posted on 09/18/2007 1:40:18 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: vietvet67
I agree. In an ideal world we'd tell subprime borrowers to deal with it! But in a world driven by politics, I'm resigned to the inevitability of a federal bailout.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 09/18/2007 1:40:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I dont know about a mess because my portfolio has taken off and fortunately my family has done very well during the Bush years! Now i guess my meat was others poison
God Dubya and the tax cuts


11 posted on 09/18/2007 1:42:30 PM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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To: Moonman62

It is not hate to not want ot pay for other peoples freckless decisions. If you blow all your rent money in Vegas why should I have to help you keep you apartment. I say not to any bailouts and yes to personal responsible.


12 posted on 09/18/2007 1:45:51 PM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: italianquaker
I dont know about a mess because my portfolio has taken off and fortunately my family has done very well during the Bush years!

During that time our nest egg was wiped out by medical bills. Yet, the strong economy helped lift up my web design business to the point that I was able to quit my job and hope to replace my losses by the time I retire.

13 posted on 09/18/2007 1:51:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

“After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration”???

Hillary? Is that you?


14 posted on 09/18/2007 1:51:37 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Jeff Chandler

I am sorry about your medical situation. Bush doesnt receive enough credit for this strong economy


17 posted on 09/18/2007 1:57:10 PM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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To: Moonman62

Yeah...it isnt like people should actully READ something before signing it...

Hell...I could have my property leveraged to 225% of it’s value too if I took up every offer that comes in the mail...

A fool and his money are soon parted....

I shouldnt have to bail out people who CHOOSE to live beyond their means...


18 posted on 09/18/2007 1:57:35 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

been there, done that........


19 posted on 09/18/2007 2:00:25 PM PDT by tumblindice (FR: it ain't DU)
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To: italianquaker
I am sorry about your medical situation.

Thank you. Our medical situation was a one time event with my daughter 3 years ago. Everyone's fine now. As a matter of fact, it was when my daughter decided she didn't like college, dropped out, started work, and got her own health insurance that I got the nerve to go full time with my business (which I'm supposed to be working on now. Good bye).

20 posted on 09/18/2007 2:01:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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