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The party's over for American consumers
Seattle Times ^ | Sept. 15, 2007 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 09/15/2007 2:24:18 PM PDT by AuntB

The new numbers on consumer confidence are out. They show American consumers very confident that the economy is going down the tubes.

Over in Asia and Europe, stocks plunged on fears that Americans may no longer be able to find the second jobs and recklessly borrow the money needed to buy imported stuff. Economists now freely use the "recession" word following the report that American payrolls fell in August, the first monthly decline in four years.

American consumers, in other words, are all dried up. And the discussion has begun on what kind of baloney economy kept them lubricated for so long.......

Of course, some professions thrive in tough economic times. Business should be brisk for bankruptcy lawyers. And we will need auctioneers to help unload foreclosed properties........

Today's "partying," he said, would lead to tomorrow's "hangover."

So here we are: The partygoers have downed a bottle and still they can avoid a hangover.

A recent article on the Motley Fool's British Web site offered "Five Ways to Prepare for a Recession." The prescriptions: Don't make big luxury purchases you can't pay for with cash. Build an emergency fund. Live more frugally. Reduce your debt. Find more work.

All sound advice, but consumers had better act fast — like five years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: consumerconfidence; consumers; doomage; economy; freshcarrion; fromaharrop; producers; savings; spenders; spending; stockmarket; trade; vulturegram
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To: AuntB

Most people have 401Ks and IRAs. To invest in a savings account at your local bank is FOLLY.


41 posted on 09/15/2007 2:59:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: dragnet2
We’re to the point where we are only purchasing necessities...Nothing extra unless it’s absolutely needed.

A lot of people are, dragnet. Unfortunately, many more will have to learn the hard way.

42 posted on 09/15/2007 3:04:00 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB

I would say more than half of American adults have money in stocks/mutual funds. 46% of all Americans had money in it in 2000. If you just include adults and fast forward 7 more years, I’m sure it’s much higher.


43 posted on 09/15/2007 3:04:36 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: BunnySlippers
Most people have 401Ks and IRAs.

Back it up. Show me your stats. Show me that more Americans have 401Ks and Ira than don't.

44 posted on 09/15/2007 3:05:54 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB
How's this?

Tax relief has spurred economic growth averaging 3% annually. With more than half of all Americans owning stock, many families and retirees will benefit as the changes in capital gains and dividends taxes drop to zero in 2008 for those in the lowest income brackets.

45 posted on 09/15/2007 3:08:15 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: AuntB

Credit Card (Instant gratification ) driven economy had to end sometime


46 posted on 09/15/2007 3:09:18 PM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: BunnySlippers

Here’s some:

42 million employees are saving for retirement through company-sponsored plans; Americans have more than $1.9 trillion invested in 401(k) plans ...
www.psca.org/starting.html

42 million. And there are how many people in this country?


47 posted on 09/15/2007 3:09:49 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB
Not to mention people are selling their second homes and vacation homes as fast as they can. Money's too tight nowadays.

Vacation homes are for good times...

48 posted on 09/15/2007 3:10:45 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: AuntB
This article says 60% of households own equities as of 2005.
49 posted on 09/15/2007 3:11:52 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: All

Interesting:

“With more people working long hours, the average median income per household increased. But in order for most households to achieve this, both husband and wife had to work full-time. What’s worse, individual incomes decreased. Women’s earnings dropped 1.2 percent, with the median income at $32,500. Even though men typically make more, they too saw a decrease in earnings.

Robert Greenstein from the Center of Budget and Policy Control commented, “Working Americans in general are kind of treading water, they’re not really making that much progress.”

But those in the workforce making a lot of progress are CEOs. One survey shows they make 364 times more than average workers. Greenstein says these recent numbers show an uneven distribution of economic growth.

“Millions of middle and lower income working families have not gained and have not shared in the benefits of this economic recovery,” he said.

http://news14.com/content/business/586760/census—more-americans-working-full-time/Default.aspx


50 posted on 09/15/2007 3:13:14 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: OneHun
Same type of talking happened toward the end of the first term of Bush the elder. At that time they were preparing the road to the White House for the Clintonistas.

Ya don't think PEROT had anything to do with it

Clinton got 43% the same as Carter--Mondale--Ducakis in their LANDSLIDE DEFEATS
51 posted on 09/15/2007 3:14:01 PM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: AuntB

The sky is falling.
(yawn)


52 posted on 09/15/2007 3:15:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: zeugma
It takes the media about 6-8 months to create a recession. They are working hard to make sure that this one comes in right on schedule.

This is the same media that accepted two years of cooked books from the Klintons from 1998 to 2000. The economy had slowed down, which is cyclical. But nobody could admit it then. The dot-com bust just made things worse for Bush.

This time, it's the hot money thrown at the sub-prime mortgage bubble. The libtards just need to make it sound even worse than it is. But at least it involves real houses, and not just vaporware companies that vanish without a trace. There's something of value left over for more reasonable stewards to grow.

It ain't nothin' that a couple of cuts in the prime rate, and maybe a cut in the federal fuel tax can't fix.

53 posted on 09/15/2007 3:15:16 PM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: nicmarlo

This is an interesting thread. I posted as article about Alan Greenspans book that will be out Monday. The Republicans will take a beating this election unless the economy can be turned now and I mean “right now”. Go to post #40.


54 posted on 09/15/2007 3:16:16 PM PDT by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: AuntB

The census says 57 million Americans own mutual funds ... or 50.3% of the population.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/miscellaneous/007871.html

That’s incredible!!! That may or may not include their 401Ks and IRAs.

And it doesn’t include people who prefer to buy stocks, bonds and other investment vehicles!!!


55 posted on 09/15/2007 3:16:30 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: AuntB

Don’t worry about consumers. Commerce will find ways to keep the merchandise moving.


56 posted on 09/15/2007 3:16:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: rb22982; All

This is pretty interesting on 401 K’s. Very few have enough in them to last a year.

http://moneyning.com/401k/compare-our-401k-balances-with-others-in-america/


57 posted on 09/15/2007 3:16:41 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB
42 million. And there are how many people in this country?

Are you suggesting that infants and children must be savings as well? Let's lets go for adults saving. That is high!

58 posted on 09/15/2007 3:18:37 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: Lancey Howard

So, Lancey, how long would your family last with no income?


59 posted on 09/15/2007 3:19:45 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: texastoo; AuntB
The Republicans will take a beating this election unless the economy can be turned now and I mean “right now”

They'll be beat like a drum IMO if it's not turned.

You can't improve an economy or a standard of living while at the same time allowing tens of millions of illegal low wage laborers to enter the country.

60 posted on 09/15/2007 3:21:41 PM PDT by dragnet2
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