Posted on 09/14/2007 12:18:08 PM PDT by Ken H
Unofficial website popular with Saint Louis, Missouri police contained a death threat against Brett Darrow three months before his recent encounter.
When stopped by an out-of-control St. George, Missouri police officer last Friday, motorist Brett Darrow feared for his life (view story and video). It turns out, he had legitimate reason for concern. Three months ago, participants in an online forum frequented by Saint Louis law enforcement personnel threatened to harass -- and even physically harm -- Darrow.
The messages appeared on St. Louis CopTalk, a site that describes itself as a site "for the use of law enforcement officers employed by the St. Louis Police Department and their supporters in the St. Louis Metropolitan area." While it has no official ties to the city, it does allow officers to log into official police email accounts from the front page. In June of this year, Darrow had sparked outrage among the forum's members after he videotaped a disputed traffic stop involving what Darrow argued was a perfectly legal turn and what a Saint Louis police officer said was not.
In the course of researching the incident, TheNewspaper learned from an inside source about a CopTalk posting dated June 29, 2007. A user calling himself "STL_FINEST" wrote the following item, presented unedited and in full:
in reply to "Who is this terd?"
I hope this little POS punk bastard tries his little video stunt with me when I pull him over alone- and I WILL pull him over - because I will see "his gun" and place a hunk of hot lead right where it belongs.
We verified the existence of the post which, until some time around July, was publicly available here. It has been deleted. Because the CopTalk forum allows anonymous posting, only the site's administrator has the ability to confirm the identity of a poster or his status as a law enforcement official. When contacted by TheNewspaper this week, the forum owner had no comment beyond, "Sorry, the posting log I have access to only contains the most recent 300 messages, and that particular message cycled off some time ago."
Still, participants did not disavow the posting. Instead, another added, "I'm going to his house to check for parking violations." We informed Darrow of the existence of the messages, but withheld publication not wishing to interfere with an expected investigation into officers' behavior at the well-publicized traffic stops. To our knowledge, no such investigation was ever made.
CopTalk now bans discussion of Darrow's videos. A message dated September 10 reads: "We are already very much aware of Mr. Darrow and his antics. There is no need to post any of his award-winning videography here." Still, discussions of last Friday's St. George traffic stop made their way onto the site for a few hours before being removed by the administrator. One poster expressed contempt for Darrow:
"Other than CYA and a heads up why do we give this [expletive] any thought? He lives for this type of [expletive]."
Another CopTalk user referred to a discussion on the online forum AR15.com by saying:
"I have a discussion going on another board where someone is basicly [sic] calling me a liar. The retards have even invited Brett to join to tell his side of what he does."
The firearms enthusiast forum began discussing Darrow's video on September 10. At least one other message from a self-identified Saint Louis area police officer appears to condone official harassment of the twenty-year-old motorist.
"Take the kid to jail... today... tommorrow... the next day... everytime you see him out and he commits a traffic violation... tow his car and take him to jail... period. No arguing, no yelling.....nothing but the sound of cash leaving his wallet from impound fees and fines." (view thread, view saved image of full post)
Unlike the CopTalk forum, however, neither this user nor any others in a sampling we made of the nearly 2000 messages posted on the AR15.com message thread supported the actions of St. George Police Sergeant James Kuehnlein. A number immediately condemned the self-identified officer's remarks.
The evidence shows that law enforcement problems extend far beyond the tiny geographic boundaries of 1300 resident city and that Darrow's video may have wide-reaching effects. The young driver's encounters with Saint Louis area police began in March 2005 when an intoxicated, off-duty police officer threatened to kill him. Darrow escaped only to find himself arrested hours later. The city agreed to drop all charges against him on the condition that he waive his right to sue over the incident. The following year, a Saint Louis officer at a DUI roadblock said he would, "find a reason to lock you up tonight" (view video and story). This is in addition to Sergeant Kuehnlein's videotaped threat that, "we will ruin your career and life and everything else you have coming before you."
The videotape from Kuehnlein's police cruiser is currently missing and the sergeant is currently on unpaid leave. St. George Police Chief Scott Uhrig is also being investigated by city officials who say he may have failed to inform them that the State of Missouri Administrative Hearing Commission concluded that, "Uhrig's unwelcome sexual advances to a teenager, while on duty and under the guise of enforcing the laws, indicate an especially egregious mental state, show that he cannot enforce the law, and are cause for discipline."
I believe everything I read on the internet.
Looks like the entire St. Louis police force is out of control and needs to be replaced with much higher quality professional LEOs.
Like what? A week of paid leave?
This kid, if he wants to have any kind of life or life itself, will need to move far away from this tiny berg.
It won't matter if one of more of the gestapo comes up on charges - there will be at least one who still take this kid out...sooner or later.
Power does indeed corrupt
Discipline?! That would be jail for one of the little people.
Signed,
One of the Little People
He videotapes them being bad, bad boys. Cops like to shine the flashlight, not have it shone on them.
That question is quite irrelevant to the porcine status of the cops in the video or on the message boards.
Cops in this town of 7k was harrassing one of our boys for awhile,,We have a tendency to stand up in this family,wife went to the mayor,chief and the cop..ended on the spot..What a woman..!
Telling your masters they are wrong is fraught with danger.
Police tales put town on map
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH, 09/13/2007
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Five years ago, an administrative commission upheld an accusation that Uhrig propositioned a 17-year-old girl for sex during a traffic stop in 2000, when he was an Arnold officer.
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Cole told investigators that Uhrig had her drive to an empty parking lot where he spoke of jail, petted her arm and face, told her she was "beautiful, hot, and tempting," and suggested a "quickie."
bttt
This chief is real leadership material if true. No wonder the rest of the department might feel empowered.
I'm just wondering why he attracts so much attention. It's a legitimate question. There has to be a reason. I am not making a value judgment, even though you did.
The judge ordered those records sealed, as well as records of an acquittal for drunken driving and an assault arrest that did not result in charges.
That really rich.
Any public official who fears (or demands you stop) recording his behavior is up to no good and needs to be removed from his position of power.
How much attention is "so much?" I've been stopped several times through the course of my 20-year driving career, but fortunately none of those involved badge-heavy swaggering thugs who would be prone to screaming at me and threatening me with perjured testimony if I asked why I was stopped.
Maybe this fellow is just unfortunate to live in a place that has a high concentration of such thugs.
A great rebuttal to any liberal who says “olny trained police officers should be allowed to have guns”.
There is video posted here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f9mj37SeMY
And an interview here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhR7MdOIWc4
It is best that you (all of us) watch and judge for ourselves.
After watching both of them my personal opinion is that this guy did have an agenda and did intentionally provoke the cop. However, that provocation is TOTALLY outweighed by the cops misbehavior.
I absolutely agree, but if a guy looks for trouble, he'll find it.
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