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GOP's Ron Paul wants all troops home
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 09/12/07 | JOEL CONNELLY

Posted on 09/12/2007 7:21:50 AM PDT by presidio9

Amid a lineup of what ought to be called "big government conservatives," Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul stands out like the Lonesome End on Army's 1950s football teams.

Asked his policy on U.S. troops fighting in Iraq, the Texas congressman, now serving his 10th term, replies: "I would get them home as soon as possible."

And U.S. troops in Europe?

"I would get them home," Paul said in an interview Tuesday. "Having them stationed abroad doesn't serve our national interest, and that goes for forces in Japan and Korea.

"We should only send U.S. forces abroad when our security is directly threatened. Right now, nobody threatens our national security."

Such sentiments make Paul the odd man out in GOP debates. Other candidates have been seen smirking as he speaks.

Although described as a libertarian, the physician-politician is a throwback on stands that used to define "conservative" in America -- defense of individual liberties, a minimalist federal government and freedom from foreign entanglements.

"I call it a non-interventionist, constitutional foreign policy," he said Tuesday. "We should have a strong national defense. But we should stay out of other countries' internal affairs. Our role is not nation building, and not to be world policeman."

In Paul's view, the U.S. invasion of Iraq worked to encourage al-Qaida. "The motivation by suicide terrorists is that we have invaded territory that is not ours," he argued.

Paul will spend a hectic Friday in Seattle this week.

The events on his schedule range from a public lecture on the U.S. Constitution, set for 1:30 p.m. Friday at Seattle University's Campion Tower Ballroom, to a $2,000 private briefing scheduled for 3:30 p.m. at the College Club. Then a $1,000-per-person reception at the Westin reception will be followed by a 7:30 p.m. rally in the Grand Ballroom.

If you missed the movie "Twister," the Republicans' 2008 field offers lots of blustery, changing winds. Mitt Romney has reversed past stands on abortion and gay rights. Fred Thompson is trying to explain how he gave legal advice to a pro-choice feminist group. The thrice-married Rudy Giuliani is seeking to court the religious right.

Paul is not a man for campaign conversions -- even on a week that takes him to three liberal West Coast cities.

"My message is exactly the same wherever I go," he said. "If it is a liberal city where I am speaking, I try to teach them the virtue of economic liberties. If it is a conservative religious town, I try to stress why individual liberties are important."

Paul was a lonely Republican vote against passage and reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act. He feels the landmark post-9/11 law violated the Fourth Amendment, which provides Americans with guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure of their property.

If elected, said Paul, "I would do everything I can to repeal it. ... We do not need to spy on the American people to provide for our national security."

Born in Pennsylvania, Paul served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon, and moved to Texas to practice obstetrics and gynecology near Houston. He was drawn to politics when President Nixon severed the connection between the dollar and gold in 1971.

He would radically downsize the federal government. "I don't think there is any need for the Department of Education, the Department of Energy or particularly the monstrous Department of Homeland Security," he said Tuesday.

Asked what role he sees for the federal government in education, Paul replied: "None. Nothing in the Constitution provides for a federal role."

Paul would seek to divest the federal government of its vast landholdings in the West. "I would always move in the direction of moving those lands to the states, except in special circumstances such as national parks."

The Paul campaign has taken in about $3 million as of midyear, a fraction of money raised by the Romney ($43.5 million) and Giuliani ($35.4 million) juggernauts. In the West, Paul registers among donation leaders only in Montana and Wyoming.

Yet, the physician-politician has become a hit on the Internet. He is the candidate of voters, left and right, who would otherwise fill in "None of the Above" on pollsters' questionnaires.

Paul relishes being apart from the field, especially in talking about two favorite subjects -- Iraq and individual liberties. Of Democrats, he said: "They were elected to do something last fall, and they've done nothing. They've identified themselves as the party of civil liberties, and done nothing."

Nor does Paul have any sympathy for Republican "conservatives" who stress economic liberty but see nothing wrong with a government that pushes around its citizens. "You cannot have a Supreme Court that protects economic liberties and not individual liberties," he said.

On assisted suicide, talking as a physician, Paul said: "Taking someone's life is not something I want to get involved in." Yet, he describes legalization as "a state issue."

"I don't support abortion, but I don't want to pass any federal law to regulate it," he added.

In Texas, it is possible to run simultaneously for Congress and president. Paul intends to file for re-election to his House seat.

Has he seen any other Republican candidate he could support for the White House? "So far, nobody," he replied.


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To: Allegra
And anyone who can assign "logic" to someone like Ahmadinejad has got to be of the moonbat persuasion.

You would have a point if Ahmadinejad had any real power. He may act like he does, but he doesn't.

421 posted on 09/12/2007 5:27:23 PM PDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: BlackElk
These 65 pages of requests are from March 2007 alone:
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/allpolitics/0706/popup.congress.earmarks/pdfs/tx.14.paul.pdf

The point isn’t even that he requests earmarks. It is that he claims to be against them while requesting them at the same time.

422 posted on 09/12/2007 5:30:10 PM PDT by mnehring (What does the Ron Paul Rorschach test say about you?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hate to be the one breaking the sad news to you, but Ron Paul is making himself a joke.

To be perfectly fair, however, Jim: he's getting one holy hell of a lot of help from his supporters hereabouts, on that one. ;)

423 posted on 09/12/2007 5:33:50 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Y'all are getting paid by AIPAC? When did that start? Or do us lowly Sidebar Mods only get RNC stipends?!?

Those gals in Accounting! FReepmail me; I'll see to it your check gets cut next week. ;)

424 posted on 09/12/2007 5:35:50 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Jim Robinson
If it wasn’t for his supporters, I know I wouldn’t have scrutinized his record so carefully.
425 posted on 09/12/2007 5:36:05 PM PDT by mnehring (What does the Ron Paul Rorschach test say about you?)
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To: AngryNeighbor
Can you name a single "declaration of war" issued by any nation since the adoption of the UN Charter???? Why do you suppose??? Nonetheless, wars continue to be fought since they continue to be necessary. There is nothing magic about the three little words trhat is not resolved by Congressional action in the nature of authorization of the use of military force. The president IS the Commander in Chief. He ought not be restrained from acting in a military crisis without the usual Congressional moonbats dithering and trying to micromanage military action. Congress's role is to authorize military force and appropriat the funds, getting the hell out of the way of military decision making thereafter.

The War Powers Act was a scheme of the usual gang of antiAmerican, antiwar Congresscritter suspects enacted in mid-war when Nixon was politically crippled. Among the ringleaders of that treasonous legislation were: Frank Church, George McGovern, Gaylord Nelson, and seven others who were simultaneously purged by an enraged electorate on that most American of revolutionary conservative nights when they also kicked Carter out of office and turened the nation back over to the grownups. As an added benefit, we got rid of the soviet union within a decade of that night. Of course, there were also allegedly GOP folks who proved to be quislings at that time: John Sherman Cooper, Jacob Javits, and Charles someone or other from Maryland come immediately to mind as paleoPaulies of their day. When soon they were out of office, they were never missed. Nor will Hagel be missed. Maybe a genuine Republican can replace John Warner and some of the cautiouscrats like Lugar.

426 posted on 09/12/2007 5:37:52 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Elk, no one is denying he submits all of the earmark requests he receives. And he publishes them online, unlike a lot of pols who won't reveal their earmarks.

via CNN: Ron Paul's earmarks, PDF file, about 65 single pages with sparse text, 1 page per earmark request.

Previously, I dug around on RP's own site and he had the link there but I had to google it to find it. But maybe RP is just playing hide-the-shrimp with all you Paul-haters.
427 posted on 09/12/2007 5:53:36 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Lead Moderator
AHA! I thought so. I always had my eye on you. I said to myself, "Self, that Lead Moderator looks to me like a UN loving, Earl Warren suckup."

Boy, does it ever satisfy me that I have at long last been proved to be right!

Seriously, though, stop using "Bircher" as an epithet. As far as I can see, they have been right on important issues more than they have been wrong. And the things that they may have been wrong on have on the whole been fairly trivial in the broad scheme of things.
428 posted on 09/12/2007 5:54:47 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: presidio9

Oh gee, where do I sign up to vote for this guy???? /sarcasm of course!


429 posted on 09/12/2007 5:56:20 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Petronski
I am a libertarian who almost always votes Republican. I believe in the traditional American, Constitutional, libertarian, and conservative principle of non-interventionism. I believe that Ron Paul has misapplied that principle in some respects with respect to terrorism.

I believe in the gold standard. I reject the concept of fiat currency.

While I am not the most learned Constitutional scholar, I am hardly ignorant of the Constitution. It is my lodestar, and I ever strive to understand and correctly apply it.

I hope that that you find that information satisfactory. If not, guess how much I care...
430 posted on 09/12/2007 6:01:57 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: rideharddiefast

Come, now, you can’t honestly think that such a juvenile post will elicit a response?


431 posted on 09/12/2007 6:04:22 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: presidio9
Although described as a libertarian, the physician-politician is a throwback on stands that used to define "conservative" in America -- defense of individual liberties, a minimalist federal government and freedom from foreign entanglements.

Oh, puhleeze...what thesaurus does this writer use that doesn't contain the word "isolationist"? He's avoiding that word for a reason.

432 posted on 09/12/2007 6:05:13 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee ("Norman Hsu:" Chinese for "Abramoff")
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To: mnehrling
The difference is Thompson doesn’t make him out to be the champion of anti-earmarks. I’m not harping on Paul’s earmarks per say, but the fact he says one thing but does another.

Nonsense

He made a point of talking about pork barreling spending and the budget. Thompson said that Republicans "lost the advantage" in budgetary issues because they also over spent and did not do anything to get the budget under control. He said, "We went to drain the swamp and became the alligators."

He singled out Tom Coburn and John McCain as two senators he thought were principled on budgetary issues. When I mentioned Democratic Senator Kent Conrad as another budget hawk, he acknowledged that but said Senator Conrad was just as insistent as anyone else in bringing pork back to his home state.

Senator Thompson said it was too hard to change the system when the accomplishments were so minor and the setbacks were so large. To be clear, I didn't bring up the budget issue, he did. It seemed to be his primary source of frustration with his time in the Senate.

So, as you can see, he's a hypocrite. I'll be waiting for your statement that you're withdrawing your support.
433 posted on 09/12/2007 6:05:27 PM PDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: Iwo Jima

I will say this: The constitution specifies no particular language necessary to effect a declaration of war...it is congressional approval of military action, nothing more.


434 posted on 09/12/2007 6:06:13 PM PDT by Petronski (Tribe still -11 . . . Jake Westbrook is a bum.)
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To: SoldierDad
I do not respond to posts in which Ron Paul is referred to as “Ru Paul.” That brands you as an insincere, juvenile, small-minded person who is not worth my time.
435 posted on 09/12/2007 6:07:13 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: presidio9

Oh for goodness sake... this self appointed national shrew (and take hildebeast with him) needs to go on vacation permanently.


436 posted on 09/12/2007 6:07:42 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: OCCASparky
Candy-ass. Impeach him posthumously!
437 posted on 09/12/2007 6:08:57 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Wonder Warthog
And if Ron Paul opposes such an amendment, then he should properly be excoriated.

Fred Thompson opposes it too.

Should he be excoriated also?

438 posted on 09/12/2007 6:09:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Coming soon: Stupidparty.com = Republican Party news, opinions, and blogs)
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To: JTN
Senator Thompson said it was too hard to change the system when the accomplishments were so minor and the setbacks were so large.

Actually, this is quite similar to the kinds of things Ron Paul says about earmarks, earmark/pork reform, etc. Of course, you get the same remarks from McStain or any long-time legislator.

Not too surprising. This is the general view by a lot of old-time Republicans whose ideal is small-government. And you can't have small-government with big-government revenues. If you don't take that money out of federal hands, that money will find a home and constituents in future elections.
439 posted on 09/12/2007 6:12:43 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush; BlackElk
And he publishes them online..

Is that the newest talking point? I don't know, I like the 'he submits but he votes against them' better. If he really does publish his earmarks online, then I'm sure you'll be able to produce more than just the March 2007 ones that CNN dug up in an investigative report in July?

440 posted on 09/12/2007 6:13:30 PM PDT by mnehring (What does the Ron Paul Rorschach test say about you?)
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