Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Senate votes to ban Mexican trucks
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Sep. 11, 2007 | Suzanne Gamboa

Posted on 09/11/2007 5:09:04 PM PDT by ruination

WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday to ban Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways, rekindling a more than decade-old trade dispute with Mexico.

By a 74-24 vote, the Senate approved a proposal by Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., prohibiting the Transportation Department from spending money on a North American Free Trade Agreement pilot program giving Mexican trucks access to U.S. highways.

The proposal is part of a $106 billion transportation and housing spending bill that the Senate hopes to vote on later this week. The House approved a similar provision to Dorgan's in July as part of its version of the transportation spending bill.

Supporters of Dorgan's amendment argued the trucks are not yet proven safe. Opponents said the U.S. is applying tougher standards to Mexican trucks than to Canadian trucks and failing to live up to its NAFTA obligations.

Until last week, Mexican trucks were restricted to driving within a commercial border zone that stretched about 20 miles from the U.S.-Mexican boundary, 75 miles in Arizona. One truck has traveled deep into the U.S. interior as part of the pilot program.

Blocking the trucks would help Democrats curry favor with organized labor, an important ally for the 2008 presidential elections.

"Why the urgency? Why not stand up for the (truck) standards that we've created and developed in this country?" Dorgan asked.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, who drafted a Republican alternative to Dorgan's amendment, said the attempt to block the trucks appeared to be about limiting competition and may amount to discrimination against Mexico.

"I would never allow an unsafe truck on our highways, particularly Texas highways," he said.

Under NAFTA, Mexico can seek retaliation against the U.S. for failing to adhere to the treaty's requirements, including retaining tariffs on goods that the treaty eliminates, said Sidney Weintraub, a professor emeritus at the University of Texas LBJ School of Public Affairs in Austin.

The trucking program allows up to 100 Mexican carriers to send their trucks on U.S. roadways for delivery and pickup of cargo. None can carry hazardous material or haul cargo between U.S. points.

So far, the Department of Transportation has granted a single Mexican carrier, Transportes Olympic, access to U.S. roads after a more than decade-long dispute over the NAFTA provision opening up the roadways.

One of the carrier's trucks crossed the border in Laredo, Texas last week and delivered its cargo in North Carolina on Monday and was expected to return to Mexico late this week after a stop in Decatur, Ala.

The transportation bill is S. 1789.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 110th; aliens; cuespookymusic; icecreammandrake; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; mexicantrucks; mexico; nafta; nau; sapandimpurify; shaftya; spp; trucking; unionthugs; votejohnedwards2008; worstcongressever
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 181-200201-220221-240 ... 781-800 next last
To: gondramB
I am under the impression that this is a treaty requirement.

Note that the House vote was 234-200 and the Senate vote was 61-38.

A treaty requires no House concurrence but does require the concurrence of 2/3s of the Senators "present." [U. S. Constitution - Article II; Section 2].

Two-thirds of the Senate present for the NAFTA vote did not concur. The Bill was passed but no treaty was authorized.

NAFTA is not a treaty.

NAFTA has the force of law. As with any law, it can be changed or abolished with the passage of another law.


U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 103rd Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the SenateVote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.3450 )
Vote Number: 395 Vote Date: November 20, 1993, 07:28 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 3450
Measure Title: A bill to implement the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Vote Counts: YEAs 61

NAYs 38

Not Voting 1

More details on Senate vote here: U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote:

U. S. House FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 575
(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 3450      RECORDED VOTE      17-Nov-1993      10:36 PM
      QUESTION:  On Passage
      BILL TITLE: NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT


Ayes Noes PRES NV
Democratic 102 156    
Republican 132 43    
Independent   1    
TOTALS 234 200    

More details on the House vote here: Final Vote Results for Roll Call 575


201 posted on 09/11/2007 6:53:31 PM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ruination
Sen. John Cornyn.... the attempt to block the trucks appeared to be about limiting competition and may amount to discrimination against Mexico.

Uh huh. Say Cornyn, when you call someone a "discriminator", is that the same as calling them a "racist"?

"I would never allow an unsafe truck on our highways, particularly Texas highways," he said.

We are waiting anxiously for Inspector Cornyn to take his place with the Texas Dept. Of Transportation any moment now.

202 posted on 09/11/2007 6:54:11 PM PDT by angkor ("Everyone is super stoked on me, even if they don't know it." - Al Gore, South Park 10.6)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: George W. Bush

There is no primary opponent to Cornyn. TX voters just rubberstamp friendly incumbents.


203 posted on 09/11/2007 6:54:26 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Ron H.

In today’s America, unions are usually only delaying the inevitable. Big union leaders also don’t care who makes up their body count — they lose their integrity when the illegals issues is put that way.

Foreigners who lack legal permission to work here, shouldn’t. Others are fine. It’s up to us as a democratic republic to see that laws governing such affairs are suitable and that they are enforced.


204 posted on 09/11/2007 6:54:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 194 | View Replies]

To: mdefranc
A raw “superior by birth” seems to motivate much protectionist sentiment.

What a load of BS.

Protections which have been built into our society over DECADES should NOT be tossed aside in an instant just to make ensure higher profits for certain corporations. Such protections include border security, vehicle safety, driver certification, drive time controls, etc. If these controls could be ensured for trucks and drivers originating in Mexico, I would have no problem. But the fact is, this will not happen. Your playing the race card is revealing. Are you one of those who believes that yelling "racism!" automatically wins the argument?

205 posted on 09/11/2007 6:55:34 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 120 | View Replies]

To: Ron H.

That grapic is sweet. Did you create it?


206 posted on 09/11/2007 6:56:34 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 194 | View Replies]

To: ruination
Mexican Trucks need to pass the same safety checks that US trucks do ( Esp. brakes), and abide by the same loading laws.
207 posted on 09/11/2007 6:56:40 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: George W. Bush

I’ll keep him as my Senator. I disagree with him on this issue, but very few others.


208 posted on 09/11/2007 6:57:52 PM PDT by SouthTexas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: dragnet2

two drivers that drive trucks, you enter our country making 5 dollars per hour, and the American driver is making $24 per hour with benefits


Obviously the 24 dollar an hour pay plus bennies is out of whack with reality. Competition will even the playing field. The union trucker should lower his wages so the US driver can compete..maybe he can drive safer, or do something more efficiently..buyt he will be forced to compete...that’s good.


209 posted on 09/11/2007 6:57:58 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

To: Colorado Buckeye

Thank you, very much, for this work.


210 posted on 09/11/2007 7:00:27 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 201 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne

The lesson of less restricted trade is economic growth for everyone. With less trade restrictions, much of the world including the US has seen strong economic growth over the last 25 years, partly due to less restricted trade. Parts of old Europe have seen stagnation because of excessive regulation, taxation, and entitlement mentality.

Less restricted trade creates disruptions. I understand that disruptions are extremely painful. The answer is not economic nationalism. The answer involves less onerous taxation, regulation, and litigation. I support retraining unemployment and other ways to cushion the blow. Economic nationalism may look good in the short run but in the long run it will be very harmful.


211 posted on 09/11/2007 7:02:29 PM PDT by businessprofessor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: elpadre
NAFTA? January 1st, 1994.

The agreement was initially pursued by conservative governments in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari.
The three-nation NAFTA was signed during December 1992, pending its ratification by the legislatures of the three countries.
There was considerable opposition in all three countries, but in the United States it was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative initiative in 1993.
During his presidential campaign he had promised to review the agreement, which he considered inadequate.

Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with both the NAAEC and NAALC.
After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House passed NAFTA by 234-200 (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor, 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans, and 1 independent against) and the U.S. Senate passed it by 61-38
Finally, Clinton sanctioned the ratification in November 1993


Incidentally, NAFTA is not a treaty to the US.
Under United States law it is classed as a congressional-executive agreement rather than a treaty, reflecting a peculiar sense of the term “treaty” in United States constitutional law that is not followed by international law or the laws of other nations

But this is what is going to happen, and every democrat lawmaker knows it:

Chapter 11 allows corporations or individuals to sue Mexico, Canada, or the United States for compensation when actions taken by those governments (or by those for whom they are responsible at international law, such as provincial, state, or municipal governments) have adversely affected their investments.

They are going to sue us, and win.

212 posted on 09/11/2007 7:03:25 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: nitzy

Ain’t it the truth?


213 posted on 09/11/2007 7:03:48 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 117 | View Replies]

To: Ron H.

Thank Ron. I like your bingo BTW.


214 posted on 09/11/2007 7:04:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 194 | View Replies]

To: ruination

It’s about damned time the Senate grew some balls.


215 posted on 09/11/2007 7:05:57 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Old_Mil
"You see, the standard of living in the third world is so low that nobody in America can compete with their third world counterpart. An American trucker can't compete with a Mexican trucker. An American computer programmer can't compete with an Indian computer programmer. An American radiologist can't compete with a Chinese radiologist."

The key to preserving our standard of living in a global economy will be to develop the third worlds rather than to import the third world into America...no small task.

In the interim we do need to keep a completive edge by allowing some lower wage earners to enter, but wiping out borders is not necessary.

216 posted on 09/11/2007 7:07:07 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 185 | View Replies]

To: ruination

I think this is the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

Food for thought: This concept could catch on. If this helps the Dems in 2008, then they can adopt Hitler’s Play book and round them up. Just replace Jew with Mexican and load up the rail cars.


217 posted on 09/11/2007 7:07:14 PM PDT by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cva66snipe

Yeah, you get 75 trucks parked in your road and it takes a while to get them moved. LOL

Thanks for the response. I appreciate it.


218 posted on 09/11/2007 7:07:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 199 | View Replies]

To: eleni121
Lets say there are two drivers that drive trucks, you enter our country making 5 dollars per hour, and the American driver is making $24 per hour with benefits. How exactly is this type of competition good for the American driver?

We know the greedy out there like your low wage peasant salary with no benefits. But how does this help the American driver?

Obviously the 24 dollar an hour pay plus bennies is out of whack with reality.

Out of whack for a 50 year old truck driver? That's like 17 bucks an hour after taxes!!!!!

Competition will even the playing field. The trucker should lower his wages. But he will be forced to compete...that’s good.

Compete with what? A 5 dollar an hour Mexican truck driver?

OMG!

To ALL:

Beware of those that support this lunacy.

219 posted on 09/11/2007 7:08:29 PM PDT by dragnet2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 209 | View Replies]

To: businessprofessor
We could argue that - and economic counter theories - to the end of time, but your view is too narrow for a full consideration of the effects.

Economics and making an extra 50c are not the only dynamic here. - Far from it.

Ever wonder if that emperor watching Attila approaching the gates ever really believed that Rome itself would fall forever?

IOW, I disagree with your post, but thank you for it. - bill

And how affairs had reached that point?

220 posted on 09/11/2007 7:09:08 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 211 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 181-200201-220221-240 ... 781-800 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson