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Tax Payers Against a Wall Street and Mortgage Bailout (Petition: Hillary, Schumer, Dodd, & Congress)
petitiononline.com ^ | 9/5/2007 | Thomas Roach

Posted on 09/05/2007 9:06:29 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican

To: Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Christopher Dodd, Senator Charles Schumer and members of Congress Please do not support the efforts to bail out mortgage holders and mortgage lenders with my tax dollars. As a responsible citizen, I do not believe it is right for you to ask me to pay for other peoples’ financial excesses, especially since a bailout encourages lenders to continue making predatory loans, with the assumption that taxpayers are on the hook. Further, we believe that the liability of the mortgage mess should NOT be shifted to GSE’s Freddie and Fannie.

I appreciate the goal of helping people to have access to housing, but any proposed bailout will only reward lenders and borrowers who acted irresponsibly, and it will punish people who work hard and diligently manage their finances by not buying houses which they cannot afford.

The housing market has begun a process of correction. This is necessary in order to keep housing affordable in the long-term. Let the market correct so we can achieve stability again, and people are able to save and afford the house of their dreams over time. That really is the true American Dream.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

(Excerpt) Read more at petitiononline.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; fannymae; housing; kelo; mortgage; subprimemortgages; vulturegram
Please sign this petition and let the pandering bolsheviks in congress know loud and clear you don't support a tax payer funded bailout for mortgage holders and lenders. Let your voices be heard Freepers!!!

Click the source link or go here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/bailout/petition.html

1 posted on 09/05/2007 9:06:32 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I’d hesitate to provide klintora, dodd, and schumer with a mailing list of folks who sent a message containing this:

“I appreciate the goal of helping people to have access to housing,”


2 posted on 09/05/2007 9:19:03 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Better yet, how about legislation that doesn’t force lending institutions to lend to deadbeats, i.e. relining and declining loans to bad credit risks.
3 posted on 09/05/2007 9:24:21 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

the real problem is bad monetary policy. The problem is that the fed, not the market, sets interest rates. First it is set artificially low and people will take advantage of it. Then the rates are jacked up too high and that screws people. Then everyone needs a bailout.

It’s the same as price control. Make the price too low and watch as store shelves are cleared. Then you have shortages and long lines.


4 posted on 09/05/2007 9:34:04 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

...You’re asking Hillary (White Water) Clinton to *not* support a bail out?

But you’d be depriving them of extortion money...


5 posted on 09/05/2007 9:49:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: ari-freedom
Don't know where you picked up THAT piece of nonsense, but you are factually incorrect, start to finish.

The Fed has control over exactly one interest rate: the interbank lending rate, aka the ''discount rate''. It does NOT have control over the celebrated Fed Funds rate. It merely sets a preferred target for that rate. The Fed has a good deal of suasion in this latter rate, but control it simply does not have.

Most of the time, lending institutions find the Fed's target reasonable and adhere to it, or very close to it. Today, the Fed Funds target is almost 30 bp too low for lending institutions, as demonstrated by the skew between the Eurodollar and Fed Funds markets.

The Fed controls interest rates? Nonsense. Learn your finance, ari. You've simply stuck your, er, finger in the electric fan here.

6 posted on 09/05/2007 10:25:28 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: ari-freedom

http://www.mtgprofessor.com/Tutorials2/Libor_Loan_Tutorial.htm

Your required reading for today.


7 posted on 09/05/2007 10:47:03 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

The United States Is Assisting In Building A Market For Affordable Housing In Latin America.

This year, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) has already approved $305 million in financing to help underwrite mortgages and build homes in our hemisphere. Also, OPIC is currently planning to support more than $250 million in additional financing this year to help provide low and middle income residential home mortgage loans and home construction loans in ten Latin American countries. Through OPIC, for example, the U.S. provided $10 million in financing to help underwrite mortgages that will benefit low and middle income families in Nicaragua.


8 posted on 09/05/2007 10:59:33 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: SAJ
I’m not an economist.

Wouldn’t (isn’t) the Fed Funds be inter-bank exchange rates while the Discount Rate be for the general public at large? I would think that the Discount Rate as applied to the economy weighs mightier than the Fed Funds rate. Is there a money chart to get this type of data/info?

9 posted on 09/05/2007 11:08:50 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Tax Payers Against a Wall Street and Mortgage Bailout (Petition: Hillary, Schumer, Dodd, & Congress)

if these 3 clowns are for it (piaps/shmuck/dope)....I am against it!!!!


10 posted on 09/06/2007 3:29:29 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
I do not believe it is right for you to ask me to pay for other peoples’ financial excesses

Heartless, mean-spirited, bigoted (insert your Demo-commie class warfare hate propaganda here) rich Republican bourgeois swine.

11 posted on 09/06/2007 3:44:48 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
We subsidize the lazy, why not subsidize the ignorant. It’s the modern day American way.

Another trolling for votes adventure that dems will resort to demagoguing opponents of this bill saying “Where exactly is your soul, where is your compassion you hate-filled right wing extremist.”

Better to send this petition to people who actually have enough sense to see this idea is a bad for the future of this country.

Does this bill have a provision about restoring borrowers credit rating?

12 posted on 09/06/2007 3:52:10 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: endthematrix
The so-called 'discount window' is principally an interbank rate. There have been major occasional exceptions to this, however.

Almost surely, the most famous exception occurred in the evening of 19 October 1987, aka 'Black Monday'. At the Chicago Merc, the arbitrageurs who were short stock shares and had sold SPX puts against them were utterly destroyed that day, when the SPX went to a then-unheard-of 40 pt premium over cash.

Cumulatively, these folks went into the dinger bigtime -- they were well over $1 billion in deficit.

Futures and futures options trades must be marked-to-market and settled up every day. So, how did these folks whistle up a cool billion-plus dollars overnight? The only lender in a situation such as this is the Fed, and the mechanism they used that evening was the discount window. Good thing, too -- or else CME probably wouldn't have been able to open for trading the next day, and the losses would simply have exploded when every brokerage house forcibly liquidated the remainder of the arb positions.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to what you're asking regarding Fed Funds. Delighted to answer your question (assuming, of course, that I know the answer), but I'm not sure what the question is.

13 posted on 09/06/2007 7:30:37 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: endthematrix
Erratum in prev mssg: for 'premium over cash', please read 'discount to cash'.

Sorry.

14 posted on 09/06/2007 7:33:54 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: ari-freedom
The Fed does have some measure of control over interest rates, but not when it comes to mortgages. Mortgage interest rates are typically tied to the yield on 10-year Treasury notes, which is a function of the supply and demand of U.S. government debt. Mortgage interest rates have been at or near historical lows in recent years because rates on government bonds have been so low.

The rates on government bonds ARE set by "the market."

15 posted on 09/06/2007 8:28:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: SAJ

The Fed has control over exactly one interest rate: the interbank lending rate, aka the ‘’discount rate’’.
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yes that is what I was talking about. The market, not the fed should set all rates. Otherwise you are bound to have imbalances.


16 posted on 09/06/2007 12:13:14 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Alberta's Child

who controls the supply of us govt debt? the govt. Therefore the rate can not be set by the market even if the demand is.

Inflate the currency and the money is ‘easy.’ This is what happened this decade; people took advantage of the easy money, took risks in real estate they would otherwise not have made if the money was sound and got screwed in the end.


17 posted on 09/06/2007 12:31:26 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0917/023.html

Your required reading.
“...What Alan Greenspan did and what his successor, Ben Bernanke, has failed to undo is the exact opposite of Greenspan’s big blunder in the late 1990s, when the Federal Reserve inadvertently tightened up. That squeeze sent commodities crashing—oil fell to $10 a barrel—and brought on the 2000—01 recession.

Since 2004 the Fed has raised short-term interest rates in numerous baby steps, but—and this is key— it has failed to mop up the excess money it created.

What does all this have to do with the home mortgage mess? When excess money is created, lenders and investors feel the itch to put it to work. Think of it as too much money chasing too few sound business and investment opportunities. Standards deteriorate. The already booming housing market went on steroids, as did hedge funds and equity funds.


18 posted on 09/06/2007 12:42:52 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom
Given that, just offhand, I can name you perhaps 30 rates of different types, not one of them affected in the slightest by the Fed, I'd say that interest rates are almost entirely driven by the market.

Remember one other thing, too. The 'discount window' is not used very much on an ordinary day. Why? Because it is known to the market that it is usually the lender of last resort, and banks using it take an immediate hit to their credibility. ''Wow, nobody else will lend you funds...etc, etc.''

19 posted on 09/06/2007 1:45:50 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ

all market rates -everything in the market- will be affected by the Fed’s policy because that’s where all the money comes from. Fed policy is not market based and you’re going to have these problems as a result.


20 posted on 09/06/2007 2:22:31 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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