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1 posted on 09/05/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by presidio9
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FedGov meddling in religious institutions...


2 posted on 09/05/2007 7:03:31 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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Driving Christian believers into the underground. I never really expected to see this in my lifetime.


3 posted on 09/05/2007 7:05:20 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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Focus on the Family will overwhelm this legislation with calls and angry voters if they find out about it. Anyone know if they are on it already or have a contact there?


4 posted on 09/05/2007 7:05:27 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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Bring it.


5 posted on 09/05/2007 7:05:45 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Follow the money, I could see churches loosing tax exempt status if they do not comply with the demands of big brother....The sad thing is many churches will go along with big brother of it all.


6 posted on 09/05/2007 7:07:40 AM PDT by Kimmers
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....


8 posted on 09/05/2007 7:15:56 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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"groups would have to declare "which of its religious tenets are significant""

Hummmm, the answer for Christians would be all those tenets which appear between Chapter 1 of Genesis and Chapter 22 of Revelation.

9 posted on 09/05/2007 7:18:57 AM PDT by joebuck
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What about a private citizen who has strnog religious beliefs? This piece of crap legislation says the First Amendment is only valid if you’re a religious organization, not a religious individual? Such tyranny deserves only the sternest response.


12 posted on 09/05/2007 7:22:35 AM PDT by jack_napier
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Pro-gay forces can ‘pressure’ all they want, but even when famous gays like British Actor Ian McKellen go around ripping pages out of hotel Bibles (like the page containing Leviticus 18:22 “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”) the words and the Judgment about sexual morality remain.

God defines homosexual activity as ‘detestable’. He is willing to forgive those who change their behavior, but in the end, that is the real end of the world, Jesus is quoted as saying in Rev. 22:15 that people who are “sexually immoral” will be refused entrance to the Holy City, a metaphor for eternal life.

(The real Greek word used here is ‘dogs’, a Jewish cultural euphemism to male prostitutes.)

God does does not respect, nor will He bless, any church that cannot accept the plain words of scripture. Churches will just have to decide who is more important to them- God or Caesar.

17 posted on 09/05/2007 7:48:32 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Reverse the questions:

Would Gay organizations be willing to hire an evangelical Christian pastor who disagrees with their lifestyle?

Would they give said pastor an opportunity to lead the organization at some point?

Or, would they restrict opportunities for advancement to only those who agree with them?

18 posted on 09/05/2007 8:02:41 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Lawyers say this requirement could put pressure on religious organizations to state a doctrinal prohibition against homosexuality in order to continue to legally exclude gay job applicants.

Religious organizations SHOULD be open about it if they are doctrinally against hiring homosexuals, but it should NOT be legislated that they MUST be.

19 posted on 09/05/2007 8:10:26 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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Actually I think this a great idea. It’ll prevent groups like the ELCA, Methodists, and American Baptists from walking the weasel-like line they’ve walked for so long. Same thing holds true for the Catholics as well.


20 posted on 09/05/2007 8:12:29 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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Where is separation of church and state now?
21 posted on 09/05/2007 8:14:18 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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They shouldn’t pass this bill even if it has an exemption for religious institutions. Why should a sex perversion be a “civil rights” category?

Even with a religious exemption, the bill is dangerous for churches. Many religious schools don’t require all students to belong to the faith of the sponsoring institution. The federal bureaucracy will see that as “proof” that church doctrine isn’t “relevant” to their school system and force them to hire some guy who likes to wear dresses and talks incessantly about his “boyfriend”.

The anarcho-tyranny continues to grow stronger. I’m hopeful that President Bush will veto this abomination if it passes, but we’re one Democrat president away from having this garbage imposed on us.


26 posted on 09/05/2007 8:23:50 AM PDT by puroresu
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Where are all of the “There must be separation of church and state” ACLU-types now????? ~~~~crickets~~~~


27 posted on 09/05/2007 8:24:10 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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What happened to all the screaming about “separation of Church and State?” THIS sort of meddling is what the Founding Fathers had in mind, not keeping God our of schools.


31 posted on 09/05/2007 10:14:37 AM PDT by madison10
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Gay ‘tenets’? Since when did ‘Gay’ become a ‘faith’?


38 posted on 09/05/2007 11:03:55 AM PDT by SuziQ
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Since when did it become illegal to discriminate against a behavior?


39 posted on 09/05/2007 11:05:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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And so begins the final assault on Churches’ right to actually act according to their beliefs.


42 posted on 09/05/2007 12:11:40 PM PDT by DesScorp
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"These organizations may be perfectly happy with a sort of don't ask and don't tell policy," the general counsel of the American Jewish Congress, Marc Stern, said, "but this may force groups to take one side or the other."

Why is the AJC involved in this story?

Also, watch for churches' leadership to be so grateful for an exemption that they don't bother fighting for the rights of church members who happen to be employers and want to run a business with standards.

45 posted on 09/05/2007 1:04:54 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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