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Churches May Get Pressure on Gay Tenets
New York Sun ^ | September 5, 2007 | JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN

Posted on 09/05/2007 7:01:34 AM PDT by presidio9

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1 posted on 09/05/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by presidio9
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FedGov meddling in religious institutions...


2 posted on 09/05/2007 7:03:31 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: presidio9

Driving Christian believers into the underground. I never really expected to see this in my lifetime.


3 posted on 09/05/2007 7:05:20 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: presidio9

Focus on the Family will overwhelm this legislation with calls and angry voters if they find out about it. Anyone know if they are on it already or have a contact there?


4 posted on 09/05/2007 7:05:27 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: presidio9

Bring it.


5 posted on 09/05/2007 7:05:45 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Follow the money, I could see churches loosing tax exempt status if they do not comply with the demands of big brother....The sad thing is many churches will go along with big brother of it all.


6 posted on 09/05/2007 7:07:40 AM PDT by Kimmers
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This is just the State pushing their faith on the the Churches.


7 posted on 09/05/2007 7:08:46 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: presidio9

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....


8 posted on 09/05/2007 7:15:56 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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"groups would have to declare "which of its religious tenets are significant""

Hummmm, the answer for Christians would be all those tenets which appear between Chapter 1 of Genesis and Chapter 22 of Revelation.

9 posted on 09/05/2007 7:18:57 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: wastedyears

THIS is what Jefferson was referring to in his infamous “separation of church and state” phrase.

The state must be prohibited from interfering with the church,

NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.


10 posted on 09/05/2007 7:20:47 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: wastedyears
"FedGov meddling in religious institutions..."

FedGov meddling in the affairs of private businesses as well. There should be no laws, federal or otherwise that tell businesses who they can and cannot hire.
11 posted on 09/05/2007 7:21:27 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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What about a private citizen who has strnog religious beliefs? This piece of crap legislation says the First Amendment is only valid if you’re a religious organization, not a religious individual? Such tyranny deserves only the sternest response.


12 posted on 09/05/2007 7:22:35 AM PDT by jack_napier
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

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Bears repeating again and again!

13 posted on 09/05/2007 7:30:04 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

/snip

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14 posted on 09/05/2007 7:40:41 AM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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Here’s another one: “Render under Caesar’s what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” “Caesar” is getting close to blurring that line too.


15 posted on 09/05/2007 7:44:34 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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communism, soviet rule, islamic law, no matter what name you use it is still socialism evil
16 posted on 09/05/2007 7:44:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: presidio9
Pro-gay forces can ‘pressure’ all they want, but even when famous gays like British Actor Ian McKellen go around ripping pages out of hotel Bibles (like the page containing Leviticus 18:22 “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”) the words and the Judgment about sexual morality remain.

God defines homosexual activity as ‘detestable’. He is willing to forgive those who change their behavior, but in the end, that is the real end of the world, Jesus is quoted as saying in Rev. 22:15 that people who are “sexually immoral” will be refused entrance to the Holy City, a metaphor for eternal life.

(The real Greek word used here is ‘dogs’, a Jewish cultural euphemism to male prostitutes.)

God does does not respect, nor will He bless, any church that cannot accept the plain words of scripture. Churches will just have to decide who is more important to them- God or Caesar.

17 posted on 09/05/2007 7:48:32 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Reverse the questions:

Would Gay organizations be willing to hire an evangelical Christian pastor who disagrees with their lifestyle?

Would they give said pastor an opportunity to lead the organization at some point?

Or, would they restrict opportunities for advancement to only those who agree with them?

18 posted on 09/05/2007 8:02:41 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Lawyers say this requirement could put pressure on religious organizations to state a doctrinal prohibition against homosexuality in order to continue to legally exclude gay job applicants.

Religious organizations SHOULD be open about it if they are doctrinally against hiring homosexuals, but it should NOT be legislated that they MUST be.

19 posted on 09/05/2007 8:10:26 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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Actually I think this a great idea. It’ll prevent groups like the ELCA, Methodists, and American Baptists from walking the weasel-like line they’ve walked for so long. Same thing holds true for the Catholics as well.


20 posted on 09/05/2007 8:12:29 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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