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Documents Show Troops Disregarding Rules
Associated Press ^ | 9/4/07 | Ryan Lenz

Posted on 09/04/2007 8:22:29 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan

By RYAN LENZ Associated Press Writer

New documents released Tuesday regarding crimes committed by U.S. soldiers against civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan detail a troubling pattern of troops failing to understand and follow the rules that govern interrogations and deadly actions.

The documents, released by the American Civil Liberties Union ahead of a lawsuit, total nearly 10,000 pages of courts-martial summaries, transcripts and military investigative reports about 22 incidents. They show repeated examples of soldiers believing they were within the law when they killed local citizens.

The killings include the drowning of a man soldiers pushed from a bridge into the Tigris River as punishment for breaking curfew, and the suffocation during interrogation of a former Iraqi general believed to be helping insurgents.

In the suffocation, soldiers covered the man's head with a sleeping bag, then wrapped his neck with an electrical cord for a "stress position" they insisted was an approved technique.

Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer was convicted of negligent homicide in the death of Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush following a January 2006 court-martial that received wide media attention due to possible CIA involvement in the interrogation.

But even after his conviction, Welshofer insisted his actions were appropriate and standard, documents show.

"The simple fact of the matter is interrogation is supposed to be stressful or you will get no information," Welshofer wrote in a letter to the court asking for clemency. "To put it another way, an interrogation without stress is not an interrogation — it is a conversation."

Welshofer said in the same letter that he was "within the appropriate constraints that both the rules of law, and just as importantly — duty, imposed on me."

The documents were obtained through a federal Freedom of Information Act request the ACLU filed with the military more than a year ago asking for all documents relevant to U.S. military involvement in the deaths of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only the Army responded.

Considered against recent cases, including soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division convicted of killing detainees in Samarra, Iraq, last year and the ongoing courts-martial of Marines accused of killing 24 civilians in Haditha, these new examples shed light on the frequency soldiers and Marines may disregard the rules of war.

Nasrina Bargzie, an attorney with the ACLU's National Security Project, said the documents also show that theres an abundance of information being withheld from public scrutiny.

"The government has gone out of its way to hide the human cost of this war," Bargzie said. Releasing the documents now "paints at least a part of that picture so people at least know what's going on," she said.

The lawsuit seeks to compel the military to produce all documents related to all incidents of civilian deaths at the hands of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since January 2005. The ACLU contends the materials are releasable under federal law.

The Defense Department declined to comment on the lawsuit until it could review its claims.

Among the files released to the ACLU were the court-martial records for two soldiers convicted of assault in the drowning of a man pushed into the Tigris for violating curfew and three soldiers convicted in the "mercy killing" of an injured teenager in Sadr City.

The teen had been severely injured; one soldier explained that he shot and killed the teen "to take him out of his misery."

Other killings included:

_ A man shot after a search of his home near Balad uncovered illegal weapons and anti-American literature. Immediately after the shooting, according to testimony, Sgt. 1st Class George Diaz, who was convicted of unpremeditated murder, said, "I'm going to hell for this." Diaz also was convicted of mistreating a teenage detainee when he forced the youth to hold a smoke grenade with the pin pulled as Diaz questioned him at gunpoint.

_ A suspected insurgent in Iraq by Staff Sgt. Shane Werst, who said the man appeared to be reaching for a weapon. Werst was acquitted of murder despite acknowledging he had fired and then planted a chrome Iraqi pistol on the suspect to make his claim of self defense more believable.

In a previously unreported case, Pfc. James Combs was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for shooting an Iraqi woman from a guard tower in what he claimed was an accident, though court documents and testimony indicate his weapon was set to fire multiple shots despite a regulation advising against such a setting.

Another previously undisclosed case involved Sgt. Ricky Burke, who was charged with murder for killing a wounded man alongside the road following a firefight. Staff Sgt. Timothy Nein, a member of Burke's military police company, testified he heard Burke say before the shooting, "It's payback time."

Burke, a member of the Kentucky National Guard, was found not guilty of the charges that stemmed from the same battle that led to the first woman since World War II being awarded the Silver Star.

In closing arguments, Burke's attorneys asked the jury to recommend that soldiers be trained better for handling detainees. "They are not trained to standard," said an attorney not identified in the transcript.

The attorneys also insisted that the rules of engagement are clear and in favor of soldiers, contending that the perception of hostility merits deadly action.

Michael Pheneger, a retired Army intelligence colonel who reviewed the materials for the ACLU, said the documents suggest many allegations of war crimes in Iraq are not being made public.

"Wars are messy by their very nature. These are dangerous circumstances, and the fog of war is out there," said Pheneger, who served in Vietnam. "But it's perfectly obvious that there is no rule of engagement that would authorize someone to kill someone in custody."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; blahblahblah; iraq; troopabuse; waronterror; wot; yawn
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To: Alberta's Child

LOL. Good point.


21 posted on 09/04/2007 8:55:11 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Cat loving Texan
I was upset when I read the first sentence. And then I read this: released by the American Civil Liberties Union ahead of a lawsuit, and realized it's just the same old ACLU anti-American, anti-military cr*p.
22 posted on 09/04/2007 8:56:04 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Cat loving Texan

The ACLU (Anti-christ’s Lawyers Union) is one of the most despicable, demonic, and depraved organizations attacking patriotic Americans and the ideals of our Founding Fathers on a regular basis.

They are foolishly being used as pawns of Satan in a wider spiritual conflict than they realize - a war they will ultimately lose.


23 posted on 09/04/2007 8:59:45 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not only that, they are citing court martial records...therefore any alleged perps have already been tried in a military court of law. Therefore, their complaint can’t possibly be that these incidents were somehow overlooked or covered up, which only leave one possible motive for this report...propoganda for the enemy.


24 posted on 09/04/2007 9:06:03 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Ugh, this got me so upset I misspelled propaganda and I am usually a stickler on spelling.


25 posted on 09/04/2007 9:09:56 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Cat loving Texan

All who are worried about the rules need to volunteer and surrender to the terrorist so they can see first hand how prisoners are treated. Please come back and report!


26 posted on 09/04/2007 9:12:25 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Cat loving Texan
Nasrina Bargzie, an attorney with the ACLU's National Security Project, said the documents also show that theres an abundance of information being withheld from public scrutiny.

Nasrina Bargzie?

I believe she is from Afghanistan, or of Afghan descent.

Maybe she has deeper ties?

Wouldn't surprise me....

27 posted on 09/04/2007 9:12:46 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Facts are stubborn things..." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cat loving Texan

This is gone beyond ridiculous. The Dems are accomplishing what they want this way once they found out the public didn’t support the cut n run.

They will make it so the military men and women out there are so terrified to pull a trigger that they will all either die or be rendered helpless and demand to come home. I am so sickened that our troops now have to be more afraid of their leaders than the enemy.

It has gotten to the point where I desperately don’t want my husband to ever have to go back, and not because I don’t want him gone, but because I don’t want him to die at the hands of his own impotent leaders.


28 posted on 09/04/2007 9:18:53 AM PDT by USMCWife6869 (Godspeed Sand Sharks.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Just more anti-war propaganda by the ACLU!


29 posted on 09/04/2007 9:19:05 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Cat loving Texan
The killings include the drowning of a man soldiers pushed from a bridge into the Tigris River as punishment for breaking curfew

US Army sergeant clear of killing Iraqi
Posted Sat Jan 8, 2005 7:42pm AEDT

A US military panel has found an Army sergeant innocent of killing an Iraqi civilian, but guilty of assault, for having subordinates force the Iraqi off a bridge over the Tigris River, where prosecutors said he drowned.

Army Sgt Tracy Perkins was cleared of a charge of involuntary manslaughter, but found guilty on charges of assault and obstruction of justice. He was also cleared of a charge of making false statements.

Sentencing of Perkins, 33, a 14-year Army veteran, will begin on Saturday by the same jury panel. He faces up to eleven-and-a-half years in prison on the assault and obstruction of justice convictions.

The military panel had deliberated for more than 16 hours before delivering its verdict late on Friday night.

Perkins was accused of killing Zaidoun Hassoun, 19, by having soldiers force him and Hassoun's cousin off a ledge about 3 to 4 metres above the Tigris river in Samarra, Iraq in January 2004.

Marwan Fadil, who was forced off the bridge along with his cousin, Hassoun, testified on Wednesday that the soldiers tossed the two at gunpoint into the water after they begged for mercy and then laughed as Hassoun drowned.

Defence attorney Captain Joshua Norris said the panel should not convict Perkins because there was "no body, no evidence, no death". Soldiers testified the both men made it safely to shore and that the death may have been faked.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2005/01/08/1278799.htm

30 posted on 09/04/2007 9:43:52 AM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians!” -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: BMC1

How and why are these documents getting into the public domain?? They should be sealed until some time after the completion of the war on terror (50-100 years?).


31 posted on 09/04/2007 10:07:33 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: Cat loving Texan

Neither do journalists.


32 posted on 09/04/2007 10:20:24 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Osage Orange

Speaking of with holding information, maybe Ryan Lenz and the ACLU should try being a little more honest. I Googled “Mike Pheneger” and came of with TEN+ PAGES of hits like this..

(Prepared by Mike Pheneger, Colonel, USA (R), ACLU National Board Member from Florida. Note:. This is based on my personal research. ...

www.ala.org/ala/lita/litamembership/litacommittees/techaccesscomm/Pheneger04.pdf

The worst kind of lie is a half truth.


33 posted on 09/04/2007 10:21:00 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Red Dog #1; Osage Orange; pissant; Cat loving Texan; USMCWife6869; freekitty
"The documents, released by the American Civil Liberties Union ahead of a lawsuit..."

The timing is significant. They must have judges in their pockets.
34 posted on 09/04/2007 10:30:14 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Cat loving Texan
In a previously unreported case, Pfc. James Combs was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for shooting an Iraqi woman from a guard tower in what he claimed was an accident, though court documents and testimony indicate his weapon was set to fire multiple shots despite a regulation advising against such a setting.

The writer seems to believe that the shooting could not have been accidental if the weapon was set on full automatic.

A question: Does a regulation "advise"?

35 posted on 09/04/2007 10:51:10 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: lowbridge

“Michael Pheneger, a retired Army intelligence colonel who reviewed the materials for the ACLU, said the documents suggest many allegations of war crimes in Iraq are not being made public. “

ummmm - actually well publicized Courts Martial at Fort Carson handled both the drowning and the interrogation incidents that happened during OIF 1


36 posted on 09/04/2007 10:54:33 AM PDT by redlegplanner
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To: Logophile

One small but obvious point that seems to be escaping the ACLU - these 22 incidents (correct me if I’m wrong here, please) are all incidents in which action was taken against the soldiers who commited the acts, correct?

If so, this shows that such actions are not condoned, and are the exception rather than the rule.


37 posted on 09/04/2007 10:55:55 AM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: Froufrou
The timing is significant. They must have judges in their pockets.

There's no "must" about it.......

38 posted on 09/04/2007 10:58:43 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Facts are stubborn things..." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Apparently that constitutes a “disturbing pattern” in the experienced, veteran eyes of the ACLU... clueless
39 posted on 09/04/2007 11:02:36 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Froufrou

Liberal lawyers, the bain of civilization


40 posted on 09/04/2007 11:05:54 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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