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Documents Show Troops Disregarding Rules
Associated Press ^ | 9/4/07 | Ryan Lenz

Posted on 09/04/2007 8:22:29 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan

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To: Alberta's Child

LOL. Good point.


21 posted on 09/04/2007 8:55:11 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Cat loving Texan
I was upset when I read the first sentence. And then I read this: released by the American Civil Liberties Union ahead of a lawsuit, and realized it's just the same old ACLU anti-American, anti-military cr*p.
22 posted on 09/04/2007 8:56:04 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Cat loving Texan

The ACLU (Anti-christ’s Lawyers Union) is one of the most despicable, demonic, and depraved organizations attacking patriotic Americans and the ideals of our Founding Fathers on a regular basis.

They are foolishly being used as pawns of Satan in a wider spiritual conflict than they realize - a war they will ultimately lose.


23 posted on 09/04/2007 8:59:45 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not only that, they are citing court martial records...therefore any alleged perps have already been tried in a military court of law. Therefore, their complaint can’t possibly be that these incidents were somehow overlooked or covered up, which only leave one possible motive for this report...propoganda for the enemy.


24 posted on 09/04/2007 9:06:03 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Ugh, this got me so upset I misspelled propaganda and I am usually a stickler on spelling.


25 posted on 09/04/2007 9:09:56 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Cat loving Texan

All who are worried about the rules need to volunteer and surrender to the terrorist so they can see first hand how prisoners are treated. Please come back and report!


26 posted on 09/04/2007 9:12:25 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Cat loving Texan
Nasrina Bargzie, an attorney with the ACLU's National Security Project, said the documents also show that theres an abundance of information being withheld from public scrutiny.

Nasrina Bargzie?

I believe she is from Afghanistan, or of Afghan descent.

Maybe she has deeper ties?

Wouldn't surprise me....

27 posted on 09/04/2007 9:12:46 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Facts are stubborn things..." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cat loving Texan

This is gone beyond ridiculous. The Dems are accomplishing what they want this way once they found out the public didn’t support the cut n run.

They will make it so the military men and women out there are so terrified to pull a trigger that they will all either die or be rendered helpless and demand to come home. I am so sickened that our troops now have to be more afraid of their leaders than the enemy.

It has gotten to the point where I desperately don’t want my husband to ever have to go back, and not because I don’t want him gone, but because I don’t want him to die at the hands of his own impotent leaders.


28 posted on 09/04/2007 9:18:53 AM PDT by USMCWife6869 (Godspeed Sand Sharks.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Just more anti-war propaganda by the ACLU!


29 posted on 09/04/2007 9:19:05 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Cat loving Texan
The killings include the drowning of a man soldiers pushed from a bridge into the Tigris River as punishment for breaking curfew

US Army sergeant clear of killing Iraqi
Posted Sat Jan 8, 2005 7:42pm AEDT

A US military panel has found an Army sergeant innocent of killing an Iraqi civilian, but guilty of assault, for having subordinates force the Iraqi off a bridge over the Tigris River, where prosecutors said he drowned.

Army Sgt Tracy Perkins was cleared of a charge of involuntary manslaughter, but found guilty on charges of assault and obstruction of justice. He was also cleared of a charge of making false statements.

Sentencing of Perkins, 33, a 14-year Army veteran, will begin on Saturday by the same jury panel. He faces up to eleven-and-a-half years in prison on the assault and obstruction of justice convictions.

The military panel had deliberated for more than 16 hours before delivering its verdict late on Friday night.

Perkins was accused of killing Zaidoun Hassoun, 19, by having soldiers force him and Hassoun's cousin off a ledge about 3 to 4 metres above the Tigris river in Samarra, Iraq in January 2004.

Marwan Fadil, who was forced off the bridge along with his cousin, Hassoun, testified on Wednesday that the soldiers tossed the two at gunpoint into the water after they begged for mercy and then laughed as Hassoun drowned.

Defence attorney Captain Joshua Norris said the panel should not convict Perkins because there was "no body, no evidence, no death". Soldiers testified the both men made it safely to shore and that the death may have been faked.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2005/01/08/1278799.htm

30 posted on 09/04/2007 9:43:52 AM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians!” -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: BMC1

How and why are these documents getting into the public domain?? They should be sealed until some time after the completion of the war on terror (50-100 years?).


31 posted on 09/04/2007 10:07:33 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: Cat loving Texan

Neither do journalists.


32 posted on 09/04/2007 10:20:24 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Osage Orange

Speaking of with holding information, maybe Ryan Lenz and the ACLU should try being a little more honest. I Googled “Mike Pheneger” and came of with TEN+ PAGES of hits like this..

(Prepared by Mike Pheneger, Colonel, USA (R), ACLU National Board Member from Florida. Note:. This is based on my personal research. ...

www.ala.org/ala/lita/litamembership/litacommittees/techaccesscomm/Pheneger04.pdf

The worst kind of lie is a half truth.


33 posted on 09/04/2007 10:21:00 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Red Dog #1; Osage Orange; pissant; Cat loving Texan; USMCWife6869; freekitty
"The documents, released by the American Civil Liberties Union ahead of a lawsuit..."

The timing is significant. They must have judges in their pockets.
34 posted on 09/04/2007 10:30:14 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Cat loving Texan
In a previously unreported case, Pfc. James Combs was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for shooting an Iraqi woman from a guard tower in what he claimed was an accident, though court documents and testimony indicate his weapon was set to fire multiple shots despite a regulation advising against such a setting.

The writer seems to believe that the shooting could not have been accidental if the weapon was set on full automatic.

A question: Does a regulation "advise"?

35 posted on 09/04/2007 10:51:10 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: lowbridge

“Michael Pheneger, a retired Army intelligence colonel who reviewed the materials for the ACLU, said the documents suggest many allegations of war crimes in Iraq are not being made public. “

ummmm - actually well publicized Courts Martial at Fort Carson handled both the drowning and the interrogation incidents that happened during OIF 1


36 posted on 09/04/2007 10:54:33 AM PDT by redlegplanner
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To: Logophile

One small but obvious point that seems to be escaping the ACLU - these 22 incidents (correct me if I’m wrong here, please) are all incidents in which action was taken against the soldiers who commited the acts, correct?

If so, this shows that such actions are not condoned, and are the exception rather than the rule.


37 posted on 09/04/2007 10:55:55 AM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: Froufrou
The timing is significant. They must have judges in their pockets.

There's no "must" about it.......

38 posted on 09/04/2007 10:58:43 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Facts are stubborn things..." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Apparently that constitutes a “disturbing pattern” in the experienced, veteran eyes of the ACLU... clueless
39 posted on 09/04/2007 11:02:36 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Froufrou

Liberal lawyers, the bain of civilization


40 posted on 09/04/2007 11:05:54 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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