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Documents Show Troops Disregarding Rules
Associated Press ^ | 9/4/07 | Ryan Lenz

Posted on 09/04/2007 8:22:29 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan

By RYAN LENZ Associated Press Writer

New documents released Tuesday regarding crimes committed by U.S. soldiers against civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan detail a troubling pattern of troops failing to understand and follow the rules that govern interrogations and deadly actions.

The documents, released by the American Civil Liberties Union ahead of a lawsuit, total nearly 10,000 pages of courts-martial summaries, transcripts and military investigative reports about 22 incidents. They show repeated examples of soldiers believing they were within the law when they killed local citizens.

The killings include the drowning of a man soldiers pushed from a bridge into the Tigris River as punishment for breaking curfew, and the suffocation during interrogation of a former Iraqi general believed to be helping insurgents.

In the suffocation, soldiers covered the man's head with a sleeping bag, then wrapped his neck with an electrical cord for a "stress position" they insisted was an approved technique.

Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer was convicted of negligent homicide in the death of Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush following a January 2006 court-martial that received wide media attention due to possible CIA involvement in the interrogation.

But even after his conviction, Welshofer insisted his actions were appropriate and standard, documents show.

"The simple fact of the matter is interrogation is supposed to be stressful or you will get no information," Welshofer wrote in a letter to the court asking for clemency. "To put it another way, an interrogation without stress is not an interrogation — it is a conversation."

Welshofer said in the same letter that he was "within the appropriate constraints that both the rules of law, and just as importantly — duty, imposed on me."

The documents were obtained through a federal Freedom of Information Act request the ACLU filed with the military more than a year ago asking for all documents relevant to U.S. military involvement in the deaths of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only the Army responded.

Considered against recent cases, including soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division convicted of killing detainees in Samarra, Iraq, last year and the ongoing courts-martial of Marines accused of killing 24 civilians in Haditha, these new examples shed light on the frequency soldiers and Marines may disregard the rules of war.

Nasrina Bargzie, an attorney with the ACLU's National Security Project, said the documents also show that theres an abundance of information being withheld from public scrutiny.

"The government has gone out of its way to hide the human cost of this war," Bargzie said. Releasing the documents now "paints at least a part of that picture so people at least know what's going on," she said.

The lawsuit seeks to compel the military to produce all documents related to all incidents of civilian deaths at the hands of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since January 2005. The ACLU contends the materials are releasable under federal law.

The Defense Department declined to comment on the lawsuit until it could review its claims.

Among the files released to the ACLU were the court-martial records for two soldiers convicted of assault in the drowning of a man pushed into the Tigris for violating curfew and three soldiers convicted in the "mercy killing" of an injured teenager in Sadr City.

The teen had been severely injured; one soldier explained that he shot and killed the teen "to take him out of his misery."

Other killings included:

_ A man shot after a search of his home near Balad uncovered illegal weapons and anti-American literature. Immediately after the shooting, according to testimony, Sgt. 1st Class George Diaz, who was convicted of unpremeditated murder, said, "I'm going to hell for this." Diaz also was convicted of mistreating a teenage detainee when he forced the youth to hold a smoke grenade with the pin pulled as Diaz questioned him at gunpoint.

_ A suspected insurgent in Iraq by Staff Sgt. Shane Werst, who said the man appeared to be reaching for a weapon. Werst was acquitted of murder despite acknowledging he had fired and then planted a chrome Iraqi pistol on the suspect to make his claim of self defense more believable.

In a previously unreported case, Pfc. James Combs was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for shooting an Iraqi woman from a guard tower in what he claimed was an accident, though court documents and testimony indicate his weapon was set to fire multiple shots despite a regulation advising against such a setting.

Another previously undisclosed case involved Sgt. Ricky Burke, who was charged with murder for killing a wounded man alongside the road following a firefight. Staff Sgt. Timothy Nein, a member of Burke's military police company, testified he heard Burke say before the shooting, "It's payback time."

Burke, a member of the Kentucky National Guard, was found not guilty of the charges that stemmed from the same battle that led to the first woman since World War II being awarded the Silver Star.

In closing arguments, Burke's attorneys asked the jury to recommend that soldiers be trained better for handling detainees. "They are not trained to standard," said an attorney not identified in the transcript.

The attorneys also insisted that the rules of engagement are clear and in favor of soldiers, contending that the perception of hostility merits deadly action.

Michael Pheneger, a retired Army intelligence colonel who reviewed the materials for the ACLU, said the documents suggest many allegations of war crimes in Iraq are not being made public.

"Wars are messy by their very nature. These are dangerous circumstances, and the fog of war is out there," said Pheneger, who served in Vietnam. "But it's perfectly obvious that there is no rule of engagement that would authorize someone to kill someone in custody."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; blahblahblah; iraq; troopabuse; waronterror; wot; yawn
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I hope our troops are killing civilians. Terrorists don't wear uniforms.
1 posted on 09/04/2007 8:22:33 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan
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To: Cat loving Texan

F**k the ACLU. They are terrorists.


2 posted on 09/04/2007 8:25:05 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Cat loving Texan

“Former Iraqi General helping Insurgents=Citizen”.


3 posted on 09/04/2007 8:26:03 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: pissant
Since the ALU came up with this document, I will ignore it.
4 posted on 09/04/2007 8:26:11 AM PDT by BMC1 (ISLAM AND DEMOCRATS ARE THE ARMY OF SATAN. THEY ARE AL-MUFSIDOON (CRIMINALS BOUND FOR HELL.))
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To: Cat loving Texan
The ACLU has 10,000 pages of documentation? For 22 incidents? After 4 years of war?

Are they also collecting documentation on the civilians killed by our enemies? IIRC, they've killed more than we have.

5 posted on 09/04/2007 8:26:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Like I’m going to read propaganda from the AP...right.


6 posted on 09/04/2007 8:26:26 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: BMC1

Correction....ACLU


7 posted on 09/04/2007 8:27:08 AM PDT by BMC1 (ISLAM AND DEMOCRATS ARE THE ARMY OF SATAN. THEY ARE AL-MUFSIDOON (CRIMINALS BOUND FOR HELL.))
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, when the Islamic cultists blow up women and children in the marketplace the ACLU and their MSM/DNC, declare those terrorists as “WINNERS”.


8 posted on 09/04/2007 8:29:55 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Cat loving Texan
As oppose to terrorist the U.S. Military investigate illegal acts. All the ACLU is doing is showboating and embolding the enemy's propaganda machine. Now we have have proof that the ACLU is a branch of Al-Queda...make me wonder if they are getting money from Bin-laden.


9 posted on 09/04/2007 8:30:54 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: BMC1

As I said on the earlier thread, it’s all about timing for the left. Congress back in session. depalma’s sleezy movie, the political season really crankin’ up, etc.. The left wants to creat the kind of popular groundswell against the war that the Republicans created againt the amnesty bill.


10 posted on 09/04/2007 8:32:02 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: BMC1

My thought exactly, consider the source of this article...


11 posted on 09/04/2007 8:33:21 AM PDT by AprilfromTexas
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To: Cat loving Texan
"A man shot after a search of his home near Balad uncovered illegal weapons and anti-American literature."

Sounds like a damn good reason to shoot him, as far as I am concerned. What would the ACLU have us do, send him to trial? It's a war, people.

Besides, what does any of this have to do with Americans' "Civil Liberties"?

12 posted on 09/04/2007 8:34:13 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: Cat loving Texan

Oh yeah, like I am going to believe what these guys say. not


13 posted on 09/04/2007 8:34:28 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: pissant

Just another anti-war rant in front of the Patreus report. The Demrats are manipulating and spinning madly to try to obfuscate the truth. Truth always wins out. Even the old Soviet Union could not prevail despite its tight grip on the levers of information.

Sadly American communists continue to believe they will prevail. But if you live a lie, in the end, you die a lier. They will never suppress the human spirit, but it won’t keep them from trying. I have faith that something will happen that will trigger a colassal belch in Amercia. These people will wind up as spittle in the gutter.


14 posted on 09/04/2007 8:35:05 AM PDT by dooltotheend (uir)
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To: All

I stopped reading after the second sentence when the ACLU was mentioned.

www.stoptheaclu.com


15 posted on 09/04/2007 8:41:55 AM PDT by excalibur1701
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To: Cat loving Texan
Has any war been fought anywhere, and in any time, with a flock of lawyers watching every move and potential misstep of its own soldiers? And treating every accusation - even from avowed friends of the enemy - as if it has merit?
Bad stuff happens in wars.
Its best not to have one -- but when forced to engage, don't pretend that mistakes and errors of judgment will never occur.
I'm sure that there are individual incidents that warrant prosecution (there are sociopaths loose in every segment of society) -- but that is not what we're talking about here. This is 'open season' in second guessing every action of our troops. This is wrong and these lawyers at the ACLU are acting like termites seeking to destroy the foundation of our house. If anyone needs being placed under the microscope, and are worthy of prosecution, it is the ACLU folks, not our folks fighting the enemy.
16 posted on 09/04/2007 8:45:09 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Cat loving Texan

ACLU siding with the enemy again.


17 posted on 09/04/2007 8:45:13 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: pissant

This is exactly why more and more military operations are being carried out by private contractors who don’t answer to anybody.


18 posted on 09/04/2007 8:50:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I don’t care what the ACLU has to say about any subject under the sun.


19 posted on 09/04/2007 8:51:53 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant
Neither do I.

Most important of all . . . neither does Blackwater, Halliburton, etc.

20 posted on 09/04/2007 8:53:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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