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Appeals court OKs Navy use of sonar
Yahoo ^ | Aug. 31, 2007

Posted on 08/31/2007 10:13:36 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Appeals court OKs Navy use of sonar

By PAUL ELIAS, Associated Press Writer 12 minutes ago

The Navy can use high-power sonar during exercises off the Southern California coast, despite the technology's threat to whales and other marine mammals, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

National security interests outweigh the possible harm to marine life, a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals determined in overturning a judge's order banning the practice.

"The public does indeed have a very considerable interest in preserving our natural environment and especially relatively scarce whales," Judge Andrew Kleinfeld wrote for the majority. "But it also has an interest in national defense. We are currently engaged in war, in two countries."

Judge Milan Smith Jr. disagreed, writing that he would have kept the ban in place in part because the Natural Resources Defense Council is likely to win its lawsuit to stop the use of sonar.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 9thcircus
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1 posted on 08/31/2007 10:13:38 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Please include dates when posting articles.


2 posted on 08/31/2007 10:16:04 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Sub-Driver
National security interests outweigh the possible harm to marine life,...

Holy crap! There might still be some intelligence left in this country after all!

3 posted on 08/31/2007 10:17:49 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Is it hot in here or is it just me?" - Algore)
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To: Sub-Driver
*GASP*

This was really from the 9th Circus?

Have they finally tired of being overturned more often than not?

4 posted on 08/31/2007 10:20:08 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: TChris

Appointed by: President Bush, 1991


5 posted on 08/31/2007 10:21:22 AM PDT by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: Sub-Driver
a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals determined

Well, knock me over with a feather! But it was a 2 to 1 decision ... watch for the en banc ruling to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory ... after all, it is the 9th Circus.

6 posted on 08/31/2007 10:22:58 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Iconoclast2
Appointed by: President Bush, 1991

Umm.... Which one? The whole 9th Circuit? The judge who read the decision?

???

7 posted on 08/31/2007 10:23:04 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: Sub-Driver
We are currently engaged in war, in two countries."

Wow, a judge who gets it?

8 posted on 08/31/2007 10:23:39 AM PDT by KenHorse (It may be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others)
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To: TChris

It is a much more conservative panel than usual for the 9th. Even the dissenting judge is a W appointee, as is one of the two majority judges. The third, who wrote the opinion, is GHWB’s pick. (Kleinfeld is probably one of the two most conservative judges on the 9th, the other being Jay Bybee.)


9 posted on 08/31/2007 10:26:49 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: TChris

The judge who wrote the decision.


10 posted on 08/31/2007 10:27:04 AM PDT by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: Sub-Driver

“IF” (and that’s a really big IF) there actually were proof this sonar was going to do extensive damage, I would actually agree with those who oppose it. The problem is, these are the same whack-jobs that think man is killing mother Guia. Fruit loops to the max, come one come all...

This decision seems rational. As others have noted, very surprising considering the clowns that preside over the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.


11 posted on 08/31/2007 10:27:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Sub-Driver; Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; ...
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12 posted on 08/31/2007 10:28:52 AM PDT by SmithL (I don't do Barf Alerts, you're old enough to read and decide for yourself)
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To: Sub-Driver

Nice to see that ONE court recognizes they have no authority in international waters.


13 posted on 08/31/2007 10:30:20 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is a miracle, there is actually two judges in the Ninth Circus that are sane.


14 posted on 08/31/2007 10:32:59 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: SmithL
Do you have permission to "PING!"

Since Al_Blowhard invented the Internet he must be directed to pay FreeRepublic compensation for all ping emissions!

I know that he is Labor Daying underthe impression that he rules the world vis a vis Globust Warming there's a whale of a tale to be be spun, (just ask Kirk Douglass!). 'Course Al_Blowhard could star in the latest remake of "Moby Dickless!"

15 posted on 08/31/2007 10:35:14 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar--Quae Cum Ita Sunt, (Since these things are so))
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To: TChris

Yup, the 9th Circus — or at least two of the three judges that heard the case — made a sane ruling! I predict an en banc panel (all judges on the court) will rehear and reverse, though, forcing the case to the Supreme Court...


16 posted on 08/31/2007 10:47:07 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Sub-Driver
. . . . a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals determined in overturning a judge's order banning the practice.

Holy Crap!!! The 9th Circus made a ruling that makes sense!!???

Pigs must be flying today!!!!

17 posted on 08/31/2007 10:48:35 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Apparently the 9th circus believes the Navy is using AN/BQS systems in passive modes only.


18 posted on 08/31/2007 11:11:35 AM PDT by meandog ((Romney and Giuliani: Just like Bill Clinton, duplicitous draft-dodgers))
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*THUD*

WOW!

That was the sound of my jaw hitting the keyboard when I saw the decision by the 9th circus.

Hehehehe, should jump over to the dump and see how many dimwits are complaining about the knife in their backs by their role models...

19 posted on 08/31/2007 11:21:25 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Sub-Driver

Very surprising, and the comments above echo my own thoughts.

Except for this one;

Its still the most over turned Federal Court in history.

Don’t mean to be a ‘kill joy’ but lets not forget the percentage of decisions this court has rendered that get overturned.


20 posted on 08/31/2007 11:24:16 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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