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(Civil) Suits endanger lacrosse panel (Duke Lacrosse)
newsobserver ^ | Aug 27, 2007 | Matt Dees and Joseph Neff

Posted on 08/27/2007 2:36:16 PM PDT by maggief

DURHAM - The spectre of massive civil lawsuits has put the future of a special committee probing the police’s handling of the Duke lacrosse case in limbo.

The city’s insurance provider advised last week that continued investigation by the panel could provide ammunition for a civil lawsuit, Mayor Bill Bell confirmed Monday.

Falsely accused Duke lacrosse players David Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann have hired powerful attorneys in anticipation of suing the city.

Seligmann has retained Barry Scheck, a prominent New York City lawyer whose high profile clients include O.J. Simpson and British nanny Louise Woodard. Evans and Finnerty have hired Brendan Sullivan Jr. and Chris Manning of Washington D.C.

The former players’ attorneys will meet with City Attorney Henry Blinder and other legal advisers next week.

Based on the outcome of those meetings, City Council members then will decide whether to allow the committee to continue or to suspend their activities indefinitely, Bell said.

“The nut of it is they’re suggesting we might want to stop right now,” he said.

Durham has a $5 million liability policy with The Insurance Company of the State of Pennsylvania with a $500,000 deductible.

A clause in the city’s insurance policy says that there will be no coverage if the city “ elect[s] a third party to investigate, defend or settle such claims or suits.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: duke88; dukelax
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To: The KG9 Kid
Oh, where are they now ...


41 posted on 08/27/2007 5:20:06 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Vigilanteman

” The city can rightfully argue that the PC climate at Duke was probably the biggest contributing factor to Nifong’s misconduct. “

It had very little to do with it. Durham is a town with gigantic race and class issues. Duke is not liked by most of Durham and the Durham DA would not be receptive to them. This was simple election year politics. He was trying to get the black vote and he did. The person who wins the black vote wins in Durham, period. The black voters in Durham are generally poor, uneducated, and very race conscious. Racebating has always worked well with them.


42 posted on 08/27/2007 5:20:31 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Not so much. States are much harder to sue than municipalities.

It took a SCOTUS decision to allow plaintiffs to sue municipalities (at least a far as the CRA of 1871 goes).

OK, then these young men can also seek a monetary settlement with the state as well as the city. Pockets are getting deeper, it seems. <.i>

43 posted on 08/27/2007 5:57:29 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: SmoothTalker

Boys go for $10 mil each now.


44 posted on 08/27/2007 5:58:52 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The city is already morally bankrupt, fiscally bankrupt would be just.. Revenge is best served cold...


45 posted on 08/27/2007 6:00:56 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: bajabaja
No suggest - it's in the policy. Durham has the right to continue, of course. AIG has the right to cancel coverage if they don't.

So a private insurer (which knowingly insured a public entity) has the power to stop (or suggest) that a public investigation be HALTED?

46 posted on 08/27/2007 6:05:25 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Vigilanteman
No fingers to point here, and Nifong is irrelevant to this potential Federal suit. The question will be 'why did the DPD fail to perform their duty in properly investigating this case?'. The city's biggest vulnerability will be the Apr 4 ID. Depos of DPD investigators indicate that they cleared the ID with management.

'Nifong made me do it', aka the Nifonguremberg defense, does not matter. City officials, from Bell down, and DPD management, from Chalmers down, placed the city's imprimatur on the DPD's failings by approving the Apr 4 ID, and repeatedly claiming that the DPD did nothing wrong.

The city can rightfully argue that the PC climate at Duke was probably the biggest contributing factor to Nifong’s misconduct.

47 posted on 08/27/2007 6:17:00 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Ready4Freddy

It could be in the policy, but I do believe that public law (including one’s basic civil liberties) trumps private contracts. This clearly “impinges” (as lawyers like to say) on someone’s civil rights (the students’) and on the public’s right to know about its government and its functioning.


48 posted on 08/27/2007 6:30:13 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: river rat
You've pretty much got it. One of the biggest if not THE biggest villains in this whole story is the ordinary little schmuck living in or around Durham who was part of that 95% black vote which returned Fong to office last November, when the basic realities of the story were known to the whole world. Turn the proposition around, i.e. have some psycho DA meet with klansmen and arrange a deal involving an election for lynching three known innocent blacks and then get elected with 95% of the white vote, and you have to assume the FBI would be bang straight down on top of that like flies on **** faster than you could blink.

Durham NC deserves some serious pain.

49 posted on 08/27/2007 6:32:32 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: rickdylan

In the end, all of America will suffer.

Forces have succeeded in causing race relations in America to degenerate to a point where it will end up doing more harm to the nation that did slavery or the Civil War.

Leftist Political and Racial organizations have nurtured and inflamed the most ludicrous race baiting scenarios to shake down the public and to garner political power for themselves at great harm to the Republic...

The Communists knew what they were doing when they supported the NAACP, ACLU and other “Civil Rights” organizations...

Once the ignorant bastards have destroyed this bright shining city on the hill - where the hell do they believe they will get a better deal...

Stupid is as stupid does...

All haters of America, and dissatisfied citizens should be seriously encouraged to leave....and go where they believe they have a better chance of enjoying the “good life”...


50 posted on 08/27/2007 6:48:51 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: bajabaja
Not at all. Nothing happening here is infringing (as this lawyer prefers to say :) on anyone's rights. Nothing is going to keep the Fed suit from continuing.

But let's go ahead and address that elephant in the closet that you're ignoring - you don't honestly believe that the Whichard Comm was going to come up with anything meaningful in the way of a report, do you?

It could be in the policy, but I do believe that public law (including one’s basic civil liberties) trumps private contracts. This clearly “impinges” (as lawyers like to say) on someone’s civil rights (the students’) and on the public’s right to know about its government and its functioning.

51 posted on 08/27/2007 7:21:32 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: FreedomPoster
I’d be really curious for someone to really go through Duke’s financial statements, and try to figure out what the amount was on the settlement. I bet it wasn’t cheap.

It may be impossible to figure out. Duke has a hospital. In the ordinary course of running a hospital you are going to make mistakes must allocate monies to settle lawsuits. The law suit about the grade retaliation and the potential law suits by Evans, Finnerty and Seiligmann are likely all lumped in with other huge settlements for the hospital on the Duke's financial statements.
52 posted on 08/27/2007 8:50:37 PM PDT by JLS
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To: FreedomPoster

The settlement is subject to a gag order. But of course that doesnt stop the rumors, specifically that the total Duke agreed to pay was on the order of 18 million.

Who knows what will be left after all costs are factored in. Each family had more than a million in legal fees.


53 posted on 08/27/2007 8:51:40 PM PDT by freespirited (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: freespirited

Well if it was 18 million and the attorney took one-third, then the families were left with 12 million to be split 3 ways. That would 4 million each.

I don’t remember the estimates of the legal bills, but I know they were at least seven figures.


54 posted on 08/27/2007 8:58:30 PM PDT by JLS
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To: maggief

Deserve every second of it..


55 posted on 08/27/2007 9:00:13 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: Ready4Freddy

You are proving my point, Sir. If this type of interference is allowed then the “elephant” that I am supposedly ignoring will indeed come to fruition.

Assuming that interference with an investigation is excusable, but then saying the subsequent invesitgation’s hollow result is inevitable (nothing found due to a less than complete investigation) is peculiar logic.

Even a lawyer should understand the logical problems with that. No offense intended, but even I can figure out the problems with that logic.

And “elephants in the closet”? Your mixture of metaphors is more appropriate to a closeted homosexual who is also a Senator and a member of the party symbolized by, well, elephants. Perhaps you were confusing that matter and this one.

Nobody in North Carolina expects the public entities to do their job and nobody calls them on it?

Given Fred’s past experience with federal and state corruption, I would expect a Fred supporter to be more assertive of governmental and private actions to expose public corruption — not to dismiss those who point to clear wrongs and expecting public entities to do their job correctly.

Dismissing those who pointed to the truth in this matter has been the problem from Day 1.


56 posted on 08/27/2007 10:56:46 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: bajabaja
Get a grip, dude (and welcome to FR ;>)

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone familiar with this case & Durham who thinks that the Whichard Comm was going to come up with meaningful reform. We're not talking about a criminal investigation. It's an investigation 'to see how Durham can do better'. Nothing against Whichard himself, who is a respected and admirable man, but the Committee itself is saddled with a large number of agenda-driven activists.

The lesson to be taken away from the AIG/Durham situation is that the city knew, or should have known, that the Committee was never going to complete its mandate. Whichard himself said that he had concerns about this all along. No one told their constituents, though.

You are proving my point, Sir. If this type of interference is allowed then the “elephant” that I am supposedly ignoring will indeed come to fruition.

Assuming that interference with an investigation is excusable, but then saying the subsequent invesitgation’s hollow result is inevitable (nothing found due to a less than complete investigation) is peculiar logic.

57 posted on 08/28/2007 12:57:20 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: bajabaja
Haven't a clue what you're talking about here, noob.

Given Fred’s past experience with federal and state corruption, I would expect a Fred supporter to be more assertive of governmental and private actions to expose public corruption

58 posted on 08/28/2007 1:02:25 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: JLS

I don’t know if new lawyers came in to handle the negotiations. If the original lawyers negotiated with Duke, I don’t see why they would have taken a third. They apparently worked on an hourly basis throughout the case, running up bills of more than a million dollars per family.

But the families had plenty of other costs, such as repeated travel to Durham.


59 posted on 08/28/2007 5:30:48 AM PDT by freespirited (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: maggief

There is some serious dishonesty in the local government, and the insurance company is afraid that any investigations will only help the discovery process in favor of the Duke lacrosse players and against the City of Durham. If they only have $5 million in liability coverage, the insurance company may as well go ahead and prepare that $5 million check. The Duke players should continue to pursue the case against the County as well.

I watched the local news, and Durham Mayor Bell was being interviewed. It doesn’t take much to figure out what is going on behind the scenes! He had that “deer in the headlight” look.


60 posted on 08/28/2007 5:52:54 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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