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(Civil) Suits endanger lacrosse panel (Duke Lacrosse)
newsobserver ^ | Aug 27, 2007 | Matt Dees and Joseph Neff

Posted on 08/27/2007 2:36:16 PM PDT by maggief

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To: Vigilanteman
There had to be some policemen who knew what Nifong was doing was wrong, unless he used the DA’s office’s investigators and there has been nothing said about it. If the police dept had the DNA test done, I feel like the results would have come back to them and then to Nifong’s office.
21 posted on 08/27/2007 3:19:05 PM PDT by lolhelp
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To: lolhelp
Sgt. Shelton

Several cops from the Duke University police force were also in the emergency-room area that night, including an officer named Christopher Day, who had apparently been standing with Sergeant Shelton when he told his watch commander about the accuser’s changing stories. His report of the incident reflected the prevailing view among the cops who had dealt with the woman: “The victim changed her story several times,” Day wrote, “and eventually Durham Police stated that charges would not exceed misdemeanor simple assault against the occupants of 610 N. Buchanan.”

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/09/04/060904fa_fact?currentPage=2

22 posted on 08/27/2007 3:29:22 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

In a SANE and JUST world, Durham would be rendered financially destitute for their insistent demanding of this OBVIOUS miscarriage of Justice and denial of CIVIL RIGHTS of the wrongly accused..
They reelected Nifong on the basis of his promise to prosecute the innocent...

Bad Actions DEMAND serious consequences....

Durham should be sued to the extent it can no longer support their racist African American population who DEMANDED this persecution of the Lacrosse players, on PURELY racist grounds.

One other group who CLEARLY need their asses and pocketbooks kicked is the Duke Lynch Mob of 88 and the Duke President...
Both have been protected by the families’s settlement with DUKE.

I wonder how the donating Alumni feel about their donations going to protect the President and the 88 from the consequences of THEIR actions?


23 posted on 08/27/2007 3:34:20 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: maggief

I support Seligmann’s desire to work to free those who are truly innocent. I hope that he also considers working to fight the PC attitude that punishes people who don’t “think” or “speak” the liberal orthodoxy.


24 posted on 08/27/2007 3:37:26 PM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I still don’t understand how the 88 could be held liable. They were going on information provided by the Durham County DA and the media. They didn’t precipitate this but rather jumped on the bandwagon as did many others such as Nancy Grace and Jesse Jackson.


25 posted on 08/27/2007 3:38:42 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: maggief

Here is one thing that bothers me about the whole thing. These families had money to hire great lawyers and their was big time media attention paid to this case. How many average Joe’s with a public defender and no national scrutiny to you think Nifong railroaded in his career?


26 posted on 08/27/2007 3:40:18 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker
Not many, and the players acknowledge that fact ...

Duke trio learned justice is not blind
Plain Dealer, The (Cleveland, OH)
June 22, 2007
Author: Connie Schultz; Plain Dealer Columnist

The lives of three privileged young white men were almost destroyed by false testimony, a ruthless prosecutor and a rabid public fueled by the media.
Emphasis on almost.

For Dave Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, justice prevailed. The former Duke lacrosse players were cleared of rape charges. Their accuser, Crystal Gail Mangum, was outed as a liar. And the public outcry on their behalf led to North Carolina disbarring District Attorney Mike Nifong.

These young men are a year older but decades wiser.

They now know that at least 203 other wrongly accused men never had their swing at justice because they had no family members with the means to wage the costly fight for their freedom.

They know that prosecutors are seldom punished for misconduct.

They know this means something is very wrong with our system of justice.

They could have closed the book on this horrific chapter in their lives but chose instead to meet some of the men whose stories mirror theirs in ways they could never have imagined a year ago.

There was scant media coverage of this encounter because the Duke players insisted they weren’t the point. I only found out after calling Eric Ferrero at the Innocence Project, which works to free the wrongly incarcerated through post-conviction DNA testing.

“You know, they came to our benefit,” he said. “We invited them, and we knew they bought tickets, but we didn’t know if they would attend.”

The first-ever fund-raiser was in New York on April 24. Before the event, Ferrero stood next to the project’s co-founder, lawyer Barry Scheck, who was holding a news conference outside. That’s when Ferrero spotted the lacrosse players.

They started to walk toward the entrance, then darted out of view when they saw the cameras. Ferrero quietly escorted them to their table.

They didn’t want to talk to reporters, Ferrero said. “We had about 20 exonerees at the dinner, and they [the former Duke students] kept saying the focus should be on those men. They kept mentioning how they would have gone to prison if they hadn’t had the money to fight. We were all impressed that they could acknowledge that.”

(snip)

http://www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/living-0/118250185928430.xml&coll=2

27 posted on 08/27/2007 3:55:05 PM PDT by maggief
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To: river rat
Durham should be sued to the extent it can no longer support their racist African American population who DEMANDED this persecution of the Lacrosse players, on PURELY racist grounds.

Actually, I usually argue whenever someone uses the "R" word. Because it is NOT the general purpose word to explain something you don't understand or misinterpret.

However, the real meaning of racism is the belief that your race is superior to another. Nazi German is the perfect example.

In this case, I would have to say you are more right than wrong. Obviously, the black population of Durham thought that Nifong was correct and the Duke boys were typical white men who think nothing of abusing and raping black women. This sort of thinking is wrong and is NOT backed up by any shred of proof.

Sure there are a-holes from any race who does violate other people's right to live their lives in peace. But it isn't exclusive to any race and this is where the population of Durham went wrong.

I haven't seen any sort of apology from the voters so I have absolutely no sympathy for them (please correct me if I'm wrong here).

So sue the city, make the representatives make public apologies and then sell the City hall for scrap...

28 posted on 08/27/2007 3:59:38 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: SmoothTalker
I still don’t understand how the 88 could be held liable. They were going on information provided by the Durham County DA and the media. They didn’t precipitate this but rather jumped on the bandwagon as did many others such as Nancy Grace and Jesse Jackson.

I think someone made the point on an earlier thread that these 88 faculty members represent "community leaders" and made an opinion on untried defendants.

Word to the wise, never state an opinion on ANYTHING on a full page ad until the fact is proven.

Those 88 faculty members who signed that ad made a really, really stupid error. I think only one actually apologized. That leaves 87 white apologists that need to be smacked upside their freaky liberal heads...

29 posted on 08/27/2007 4:06:05 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: SmoothTalker
Of course there may be others but Nifong spent his career largely in traffic court. He was not nearly as dangerous there as when he was elevated to DA.
30 posted on 08/27/2007 4:06:38 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Vigilanteman
gee, this is almost as fun as Hamas and Hezbullah killing each other...or Iran-Iraq war...

so much fun... I'll take some popcorn with a little Tabasco sauce, some Big Red soda...and just giggle.

Liberals eaten by lawyers...gawd that's funny.

31 posted on 08/27/2007 4:19:27 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: maggief

I’m of two minds on this, Obvisously the boys deserve compensation for the harasment they went through. On the other hand every cent that they and the lawyers get will be tax payers money. But the voters there elected that fool nifong, I manly feel sorry for the ones who didn’t vote for him but are now going to get stuck paying the bill.


33 posted on 08/27/2007 4:28:34 PM PDT by Aruchu (There is no I in team, but there is a M and an E.)
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>>The city can rightfully argue that the PC climate at Duke was probably the biggest contributing factor to Nifong’s misconduct.

Sorry, but the NAACP-leaning city leadership was right there from the beginning, every bit as big as the fools from Duke.


34 posted on 08/27/2007 4:42:26 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: maggief

I’d be really curious for someone to really go through Duke’s financial statements, and try to figure out what the amount was on the settlement. I bet it wasn’t cheap.


35 posted on 08/27/2007 4:43:40 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

This one’s not about Nifong. He was a State employee.

heheheh ‘was’ heheheh


36 posted on 08/27/2007 4:55:23 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: maggief

The logic of the insurer is to halt a public investigation of a public wrong so that the financial damages will be more easily limited. So a private insurer (which knowingly insured a public entity) has the power to stop (or suggest) that a public investigation be HALTED? THAT IN ITSELF is a denial of civil rights. Disgust. Utter Disgust. Don’t these folks learn anything? Ever?


37 posted on 08/27/2007 5:02:21 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: Ready4Freddy

OK, then these young men can also seek a monetary settlement with the state as well as the city. Pockets are getting deeper, it seems.


38 posted on 08/27/2007 5:06:02 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: maggief
OK. So sue the freaking insurance company for interfering with an ongoing criminal investigation, civil rights violations, etc., etc., etc.
39 posted on 08/27/2007 5:11:48 PM PDT by Samwise (Official Fred Head)
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To: snarks_when_bored
"Maybe each of the Duke 88 faculty members will donate a year's salary to the city to help it defray its litigation expenses... "

I'm hoping they'll need that money for their defense against a civil suit coming their way.

40 posted on 08/27/2007 5:14:29 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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