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"Ham-fisted" and "venemous religious tract": Reviews for "September Dawn"
RottenTomatoes.com ^ | 08/23/07 | Various

Posted on 08/23/2007 5:45:11 PM PDT by Reaganesque

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To: colorcountry

It’s been covered before, in books and documentaries. Fictionalized movies give a mixture of truth and entertainment with emphasis on the latter.

BTW, I’m no longer a Christian, but when I was I considered Mormons to be Christians. I still do.


81 posted on 08/23/2007 9:40:11 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Sherman Logan
OK. If they released it to knock Mitt out of the primary, their strategy is idiotic.

They should have waited a year, hoping he’d be nominated, and then release it shortly before the general election.

How in the world does eliminating Romney from the primaries help the Democrats? Only if you think Mitt is the most electable candidate, which is at best debatable.

These are republicans who produce this movie and maybe were not to keen on Romney getting the nomination!

Timing is every thing!

82 posted on 08/23/2007 9:43:17 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: restornu

We don’t need to attack Jon Voight.


83 posted on 08/23/2007 9:47:29 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
It’s been covered before, in books and documentaries. Fictionalized movies give a mixture of truth and entertainment with emphasis on the latter.

So what do you believe is a valid subject for a movie, since we can't make historical pictures? 300? Braveheart? Joan of Arc? The Scarlet Letter? Roots? Gunfight at the O.K. Corral? I think you get my drift, right?

BTW, I’m no longer a Christian, but when I was I considered Mormons to be Christians. I still do.

Good for you. I don't.

84 posted on 08/23/2007 9:48:49 PM PDT by colorcountry (Silence isn't always golden.....Sometimes it's just yellow!)
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To: Seruzawa
Heh heh. It’s real funny when the Christians complain about anyone else’s history of blood and corpses. Pot meet kettle.

Well, okay, thanks for that. You're a saucepan.
85 posted on 08/23/2007 9:51:57 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: restornu

Republicans make movies?


86 posted on 08/23/2007 9:53:51 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Scratch a liberal, find a dhimmi)
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To: EveningStar
We don’t need to attack Jon Voight. I heard the interviews of him and I am not attacking him I am point out conflict of interest here!

In the interviews these are things that came out.

It is Joh who used in the interview a religious fanitic which gives a different flavor to this.

I don't know the details they did not do autopsy in those days I guess. I am sure the rogue Mormons did do it but if the stories of disarming is true I don't? I am sure the rogues were paranoid and thought they needed to do this. The whole thing still remains a mystery. I am a convert so I have no family history to protect.

87 posted on 08/23/2007 9:55:33 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Sherman Logan
Republicans make movies?

That is a funny question why not?

Jon Voight is a Republican and so is the director.

88 posted on 08/23/2007 9:58:14 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: restornu
these were a bunch of paranoid folks who did not keep the faith nor follow the commandments of their file leader or the Lord.

If so, it apparently affected the entire Church in SW Utah.

The attack was ordered by the local Church leaders and implemented by the regional militia in their organized bands.

Did Young specifically order the attack? Doubtful. He wasn't that stupid. Although the Church suffered remarkably little blowback from the incident, managing to pin the entire blame on one man, JD Lee.

BTW, what's a file leader?

89 posted on 08/23/2007 9:58:37 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Scratch a liberal, find a dhimmi)
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To: Poser
Somebody put out a talking points list.

Not really. The term "ham-fisted" gets used all the time to describe schlock filmmaking. Or, consider a few groaner, played-out FReeper items that might lead one to believe in the talking points:

1. Jump The Shark
2. Beyond the Pale
3. Ilk
4. Bush's fault

Get my point?
90 posted on 08/23/2007 10:01:22 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: restornu

The movie is entertainment and propaganda. Unfortunately, most people will look upon it as a documentary. As we know, most people are really that gullible.

Voight appears to be one of those nice guy idealists. I wish he’d read the books and stayed away from making the movies.


91 posted on 08/23/2007 10:01:49 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Sherman Logan

File leader was used in a positive way for those in the priesthood to follow the leader in your group.

To keep the Lord‘s covenants

Like Boys scout so there is order and not chaos!

But the way it sound these guys were a group onto themselves and did not listen.


92 posted on 08/23/2007 10:06:08 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: restornu

It’s pretty well known that most people in the movie business are liberal Democrats.


93 posted on 08/23/2007 10:06:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Scratch a liberal, find a dhimmi)
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To: Sherman Logan
A few of the more extreme Mormons try to make the attack out to be some kind of self-defense against dangerous invaders who were murdering, pillaging and poisoning their way across UT, with intent to bring back an army from CA and kill all Mormons.

While I don't condone what John D. Lee and others did to the Fancher party, some members of the Fancher party DID make those very threats. They boasted of their participation in the murders of innocent Mormons in Missouri, and promised to bring more of the same on the Mormons in Utah. Such threats and boasting remove those making them from the "innocent" category.

Imagine Osama Bin Laden traveling through your neighborhood bragging about 9/11, pointing at you and saying "You're next infidel!". You would give him a glass of goat milk and wish him well?

94 posted on 08/23/2007 10:12:23 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: EveningStar

I am sure Jon is an idealist but he also was not too keen of his Mormon mother in law!

I have not been able to get to the bottem of this family estrangement or fued!

They worked closely with the Francher folks and never used the Church at for understanding.

If they were sincere they would have launch it in 06


95 posted on 08/23/2007 10:13:55 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Sherman Logan
Production on this movie probably started at least three and perhaps five years ago.

If they had so much lead time why is it such a turkey?

No, really, how can one get a truthful and factual answer to the real lead time?

96 posted on 08/23/2007 10:14:32 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Reaganesque
There are facts here. It's thought-provoking in the ways it makes you consider how this event resembles that later 9/11.

The reviewer is a idiot,comparing one incendent to 1500 years of muslim rape,looting,and mass murder is obscene
This just a bad attempt to white wash 9/11 by dhimmis and usefull idiots

97 posted on 08/23/2007 10:15:13 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: Auntie Dem

“”Imagine Osama Bin Laden traveling through your neighborhood bragging about 9/11, pointing at you and saying “You’re next infidel!”. You would give him a glass of goat milk and wish him well?””

Makes me think back to post 46.


98 posted on 08/23/2007 10:17:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ( "Show me the personal political scars Romney bears for conservatism and for America".)
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To: Sherman Logan
I would be real curious to see how prominent Mitt was as a potential candidate then, shortly after his election as MA gov.

There were rumors floating around during the 2002 Olympic

99 posted on 08/23/2007 10:17:44 PM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Reaganesque

Might want to make it clear that you believe Joseph Smith to be a prophet, rather than a clever huckster bent on making up fun stories about Indians using scimitars and iron, riding horses and such.

Just a question for you: Why is Jesus not sufficient?


100 posted on 08/23/2007 10:17:52 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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