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"Ham-fisted" and "venemous religious tract": Reviews for "September Dawn"
RottenTomatoes.com ^ | 08/23/07 | Various

Posted on 08/23/2007 5:45:11 PM PDT by Reaganesque

"This handsome indie Western damningly recounts the 1857 slayings of 120 settlers passing through Utah, but the didactic presentation, grim speechifying and tacked-on love story all signify a less-than-healthy regard for the audience's intelligence."
Click for Full Review  Variety   Justin Chang

1/4
1/4 "The film feels less like historical drama than a venomous religious tract printed on celluloid."
Click for Full Review  Minneapolis Star Tribune   Colin Covert

 

"September Dawn has the ham-fisted lyricism of political ads and pharmaceutical commercials."
Click for Full Review  Village Voice   J. Hoberman

 

"When the movie isn't doling out ham-fisted history...it gives us magnificent vistas of a pristine prairie...and there's a deep sweetness to the subplot of Jonathan and Emily falling in love."
Click for Full Review  Film Journal International   Frank Lovece

1.5/4
1.5/4 "When watching the screen depiction of a historic event in which 120 people were murdered, giggling is not the appropriate response."
Click for Full Review  Salt Lake Tribune   Sean Means


1/5 "It has the chilling certitude of the self-righteous."
Click for Full Review  Orlando Sentinel   Roger Moore

2.5/5
2.5/5 "The real problem is that September Dawn isn't a very good movie. It moves too much like a public-school history pageant and gives us mono-dimensional characters who speak dialogue that fairly reeks of printer's ink."
Click for Full Review  Arizona Republic   Richard Nilsen

1/5
1/5 "The jarring MTV-style filmmaking is so distracting and the 'messaging' so unsubtle that after two long hours you find yourself leaving the theater with a massive headache, wondering when you started to hate Mormons."
Click for Full Review  Orlando Weekly   Brett Register

1/4
1/4 "Forget Grindhouse. September Dawn is the year's first honest-to-goodness exploitation flick."
Click for Full Review  Slant Magazine   Nick Schager

1/4
1/4 "Bombastic, slow-drying dramatization with lead-weight dialogue and a turgid romantic subplot."
Click for Full Review  Newsday   Gene Seymour

D-
D- "Has serious problems in historical terms. But in this case they're exacerbated by the simple ineptitude of the filmmaking."
Click for Full Review  One Guy's Opinion   Frank Swietek

"Even if one gets past the movie's controversial depictions, there is the matter of its second-rate, made-for-television fare -- the poor battle choreography, the wooden editing and the cheesy writing."
Click for Full Review  Washington Post   Desson Thomson

2.5/4
2.5/4 "If September Dawn is a kind of Western, it's a Western utterly devoid of heroism or the usual archetypes. But the core message transcends time: Hatred laced with religious fanaticism is a toxic blend."
Click for Full Review  Milwaukee Journal Sentinel   Dave Tianen

1/4
1/4 "Doesn't even measure up to an episode of your typical, cowboy TV show from the Fifties like Roy Rogers or The Lone Ranger. Get my drift, Kimosabe?"
Click for Full Review  NewsBlaze   Kam Williams

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To: ansel12
How did THAT happen?? (last post)?


I am amazed how a massive massacre of innocent American men, women, and children gets treated as an insult to Mormons by Romney campaign supporters.I>< P>It just shows how much they HATE us!

--MormonDude(unloved)

141 posted on 08/24/2007 10:25:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sandude
What is your opinion of LDS scholarship?

Oxymormon....That's a joke son.

142 posted on 08/24/2007 10:27:30 AM PDT by colorcountry (Silence isn't always golden.....Sometimes it's just yellow!)
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To: JCEccles
That is, the critics are bigots as well, just mightily annoyed that the smear wasn't done more artfully and professionally.

That's RIGHT!!

ANYthing that does not at least TOLERATE us, shows how much they HATE us!

--MormonDude(feeling REALLY lonely!)

143 posted on 08/24/2007 10:28:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grig
Give them a hundred years or so, and they’ll make a movie blaming Mormons for that too.

I wonder if there were any LDS organization members in the cast or as extras?

What is SLC headquarters take on the film?

144 posted on 08/24/2007 10:29:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
Oxymormon....That's a joke son.

A clever play on words. I would still appreciate an honest answer.

145 posted on 08/24/2007 10:29:57 AM PDT by sandude
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To: jackibutterfly
Ham-fisted historical epics can still make for great entertainment.
 
 
http://www.theage.com.au/news/film-reviews/300/2007/04/04/1175366312130.html
 
 
"...flying specks of foaming spittle."

146 posted on 08/24/2007 10:33:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reaganesque
But then, it’s just another failure in an unbroken, 150 year streak of failed attempts to to bring the church down.

 


KJV Matthew 13:24-30
 24.  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
 25.  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
 26.  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
 27.  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
 28.  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
 29.  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
 30.  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 
Of course; we disagree as to which bunch is the weeds...

147 posted on 08/24/2007 10:37:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
Unfortunately for this argument, self defense is a little tricky to claim when you kill dozens of women and children.

But not ALL of them - some they 'adopted'.

148 posted on 08/24/2007 10:39:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Poser
There’s no question. Romney is running. He’s a Mormon, raising curiosity about Mormons. The producers are using that to try to make money.

Amen!

If anyone wants to imply there is MORE than this; well...

149 posted on 08/24/2007 10:40:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ansel12

Hey! Mr. Custer!

I don’t wanna go...


150 posted on 08/24/2007 10:41:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SpaceBar

#####It’s nice to know I’m not the only one who finds the drunkard’s point-of-view cinematic style unwatchable.#####

Ditto. A friend talked me into going to see the new Bourne movie last week. I could handle the Political Correctness, which was mild by comparison to a lot of films. But that MTV style is ridiculous. I thought close-ups were the cinematic equivalent of a punctuation mark. CUs tend to lose their value when they constitute half the film. The shaky camera also might have some value for a specialized scene (conveying that a character is ill, or something), but for the whole damn movie?

And these films must be aimed at audiences with ADD because it’s rare for a shot to last more than five seconds.

I went home and watched CASABLANCA on DVD as an antidote.


151 posted on 08/24/2007 10:42:06 AM PDT by puroresu
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To: ansel12
...that our American GIs were involved in a bloody battle aginst a brutal enemy, and that the soldiers died in service to our country.

And the descendants on the OTHER side tell of the soldiers of agression, in yet another attempt to drive them from their native lands, made a vast technical error.

152 posted on 08/24/2007 10:43:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
I also once walked the length of Pariah Canyon, exiting at Lee’s Ferry, where we were able to walk around JD’s old homestead.

I've floated down Marble Canyon, exiting at Lee's Ferry; too.

Did you go into the root cellar?

I was there when it was 107, and the half-buried cellar, with no door on it, was a good 15 degrees cooler!

153 posted on 08/24/2007 10:46:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Where are the U&T when you really NEED them!


154 posted on 08/24/2007 10:47:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EveningStar
BTW, I’m no longer a Christian, but when I was I considered Mormons to be Christians. I still do.

Maybe that's why you ain't now!

155 posted on 08/24/2007 10:48:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
Did Young specifically order the attack? Doubtful. He wasn't that stupid.

History attributes to Henry, the words: "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest...

Thomas Becket

156 posted on 08/24/2007 10:54:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EveningStar
As we know, most people are really that gullible.

Yup; just look at how many MILLIONS are spent on political ads!

157 posted on 08/24/2007 10:55:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Auntie Dem
Imagine Osama Bin Laden traveling through your neighborhood bragging about 9/11, pointing at you and saying "You're next infidel!".

Imagine two young men on bicycles, traveling through your neighborhood bragging about 9/11, pointing at you and saying "You're next, Gentile!".

158 posted on 08/24/2007 10:57:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry; Reaganesque; Rameumptom; Grig; sevenbak; Utah Girl; tantiboh; DanielLongo; ...
It is also sad that those opposed to the church will never accept any version of history that comes from LDS scholars.

Perhaps that is why the LDS Church should open its archives to an independant scholarly committee. Wouldn't that be more appropriate?

There are independant scholars out there who have been in the archives as well as x Mormons etc

Some how many of them who were not bias did you fit many of you agenda!

159 posted on 08/24/2007 10:59:24 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Theo
Why is Jesus not sufficient?

Oh! But He IS!!

It's just that ALL the gospel is not present in your holy book.

The glories of the RESTORED Gospel IS included in OUR Holy Books!!

--MormonDude(New! Improved!!)

160 posted on 08/24/2007 10:59:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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