Posted on 08/21/2007 7:28:55 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
A likely upshot of President Bush's meetings with his Canadian and Mexican counterparts in Canada, will be a further impetus to the effort to engage in what is euphemistically called the "harmonization" of the three countries' economies, regulatory systems and policies. The effect will be to contribute to...a significant, and possibly irreversible, erosion in the nation's sovereignty.
... the essence of the most successful political experiment in history — the United States of America — is the sovereign power entrusted by the people via our Constitution to our elected, accountable representatives.
Unfortunately, such sovereignty is endangered by those who believe the world of nation-states is too disorderly for efficient global commerce and the peaceable resolution of disputes.... They prefer supranational arrangements like the European Union, run by wholly unaccountable bureaucrats.
The trouble ...is that a lot of folks who value their freedoms ... generally don't fancy such arrangements. They see them for what they are: big government on steroids, unwieldy, unchecked and unresponsive to the will of the ruled.
So it is necessary for the Tranzies to resort to extraordinary means to supplant national governments. The European Union's architects have acknowledged privately they could never have pulled it off if the publics of the Continent's various nations understood what was afoot.
Today, we know a similar effort is at work behind the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) on the agenda at the Montebello Summit. ...Thanks to Freedom of Information Act requests pursued by Judicial Watch, we know there are some two-dozen trilateral "working groups" whittling away our sovereignty — er, "harmonizing" our rules and regulations on immigration, the environment and health care with those of Mexico and Canada. This effort, as one of the SPP's admirers has put it, involves the nation-state's "erosion by stealth..."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
For the sake of conversation, I’ll mention this again. When I was in school, I had a professor, when they were not radicals, tell us that in his opinion, there would be 3-4 leaders of the world. All of Europe would be under one leader, the US, Canada, Mexico and possibly South America would be under one leader, all of Asia would be under one leader, the Middle East would be under one leader.
We now see the EU, talks of the NAU, China is talking about uniting all Asian countries. This professor is surely passed on by now but I would sure like to talk to him today. All this is happening at lightening speed now due to the age of computers. He didn’t think it would happen in our life time but computers were not in the picture. This statement he made was in 1962. Look at what is happening today.
He also mentioned that for something like the NAU to happen (there was no name for it back then) we would have to get rid of our Constitution. England, to be a full partner in the EU, would have to get rid of their Monarchy. One thing my professor said.....”Never let anyone change our Constitution for any reason. There is no need to change it, it is fine the way it is. If we allow people to change the Constitution for any reason, they will take that opportunity to change the whole thing.”
Rather than the premise given by the flat-earther, sovereignty is being extended every way every day.
Countries that share common borders should discuss common interests when it comes to trade, security and immigration. If my neighbor is invaded or its goverment is subverted by say, radical Islam or communism then I have a problem. Good neighbors are important.
Cooperation good.
Collective bad.
Preserve sovereignty — a Free Republic, a Free Dominion, and an independent kleptocracy behind a wall, Gulf to Pacific.
Smart professor; a rarity these days.
huh. and how has our sovereignty been extended? plus why be derogatory. i don’t see any evidence of angela being a flat-earth promoter. seems unrelated to me.
I would highly recommend that this subject matter be brought back often. Don’t ignore it. One way this professor said that this can happen is if the government taxes us to the point that the only thing you’ll be able to do is work to stay alive and not pay any attention to what they are doing. How many people today are working 60-70 hours a week? It’s happening as we speak.
I’m curious—since Canada has a rapidly declining population, (a tiny fraction of ours) and since we already handle most of the national defense responsibilities for Canada, does anyone here think that we may be setting the stage for Canada to become a part of the United States, rather than the US becoming a part of some “NAU” entity?
If Canada were to enter the union as several states, under our Constitution, would anyone here object?
‘England, to be a full partner in the EU, would have to get rid of their Monarchy.’
12 EU member states are monarchies, including the Vatican which is a theocratic absolute elective monarchy. So much for republican catholics then! :)
The American Corporation is the most powerful entity ever created on earth. All these trade treaties (probably most of them if not all) extend their ability to do business in a safe legal environment. Note the Chavez clown act in Venezuela and that proper treaties avoid that kind of behavior.
“Rather than the premise given by the flat-earther, sovereignty is being extended every way every day.”
Wow! In one sentence, you’ve calmed the fears and refuted the evidence of eroding sovereignty many have been concerned about for years, without providing a shred of evidence or addressing a single specific.
Quite a feat if you can find even one person foolish enough to believe it.
‘I’m curious—since Canada has a rapidly declining population, (a tiny fraction of ours)’
Canadian population (thousands), 2001 31,021, 2002 32,373, 2003 31,669, 2004 31,974 and 2005 32,270. How is that rapidly declining?
‘If Canada were to enter the union as several states, under our Constitution, would anyone here object?’
I bet lots of people here would object to having a state whose head of state is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II! :)
It’s a premise. The XIVth Amend restructured the USA following the Civil War. The adjustment led directly to the USA moving from fifth place economically to first place in a couple decades, and still going. Still running away with the game and leaving the rest in the dust. That’s what led to the premise: the present preeminent position of the USA on earth (and in space).
Mexicans seem to believe that they own the southwest, it would be in keeping with history to annex Mexico. While we are at it, annex Canada. Then all of Central America, why do you think they call it “America”. We won’t have to change that maps or stationary, much. By annexing we would put them under our laws and can tax them, after all most of the income in Mexico it from the US. Mexicans paying taxes that Americans won’t
Those 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country don't share your view and their numbers increase "every way every day."
Some do share that view, and look who they are: the American Corporations, and Pres Bush. Dubya is vastly smarter than most realize and an avid student of history, as well as leader of the most powerful Corporation ever on earth: FedGov
LOL. I guess if the American Corporations and President Bush decide that our sovereignty and borders are meaningless, then we should just shut up and go along. The political and corporate elites are out of touch to what is happening in this country. They are beginning to find out.
The problem isn’t Canada, it is Mexico, and the huge disparity of wealth between the U.S. and Canada on one side, and Mexico on the other. There is one big reason why the EU has not admitted Turkey, and that is the disparity of wealth. Unless you want more than half of the Mexican population moving here, and more than half have said they would if they could, then a union between the three countries that includes free movement of labor probably isn’t your cup of tea.
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