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A Fearsome Gang and Its Wannabes
NY Times ^ | August 19, 2007 | CARA BUCKLEY

Posted on 08/19/2007 2:28:22 PM PDT by neverdem

THE grim execution-style shootings that killed three college students in a Newark schoolyard two weeks ago bore many hallmarks of gangland slayings, and the culprits clearly wanted it that way.

Three of the four victims, two women and two young men aged 18 to 20, were forced to kneel facing a wall before being shot in the head. Both women, one of whom survived, were slashed in the face with a machete or knife. And the MySpace page of one of the six suspects, a 16-year-old who is still at large, pays loving homage to one of the country’s most feared and hyped gangs: La Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, a Central American gang that has become synonymous with bloodthirstiness.

The authorities in Newark swiftly noted that they had found no evidence linking the suspects to MS-13, or any other gang. “There’s a difference between a gang member and a wannabe,” Newark’s police director, Garry F. McCarthy, said last week in an interview with The New York Times.

Still, the possible connection gained a lot of attention. Be they real or imagined, the teenager’s ties to MS-13 underscored the potency of the gang’s name. MS-13’s notoriety has exploded in recent years, fanned by bone-chilling reports of its machete attacks, beheadings and the fatal stabbing of a pregnant teenager, as well as menacing photos of its members, their faces and torsos inked with tattoos. Newsweek christened MS-13 “The Most Dangerous Gang in America,” and National Geographic Explorer upped the ante with its documentary about MS-13, “The World’s Most Dangerous Gang.”

But in a way, the intense focus on MS-13 adds to its mystique and potency, providing a dangerous model for teenagers looking for trouble.

MS-13 was formed in Los Angeles in the 1980s by refugees from El Salvador, and the F.B.I. estimates...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; elsalvador; gangs; killedbyliberals; lamarasalvatrucha; ms13; newark
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Newark Mayor Booker's plan to curb guns

Colin Ferguson was an illegal alien, but all these clowns do is go after the rights of the law abiding.

1 posted on 08/19/2007 2:28:23 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The authorities in Newark swiftly noted that they had found no evidence linking the suspects to MS-13, or any other gang. “There’s a difference between a gang member and a wannabe,” Newark’s police director, Garry F. McCarthy, said last week in an interview with The New York Times.

Does the gang require an initiation rite resulting in a killing to join?


2 posted on 08/19/2007 2:31:09 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: neverdem
But deporting them is politically verboten. MS-13 is literally a shadow state in America, more powerful than the Mob in its heyday.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 08/19/2007 2:31:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
The authorities in Newark swiftly noted that they had found no evidence linking the suspects to MS-13, or any other gang.

Then they're not looking. Local Arrests in Newark Slayings:

A man who was in the apartment at the time of the arrest said that Godinez and a friend had shown up about 11 a.m. Thursday and that Godinez was drinking beer and tattooing some of the other men. The man said Godinez talked about being a member of MS-13. He said that when police took Godinez away, he yelled, "MS-13 forever."

4 posted on 08/19/2007 2:32:10 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Coleus; jocon307; Alberta's Child; Pharmboy; Calpernia; Malsua; dead; nj26; OldFriend; Clemenza; ...

Adriana Zehbrauskas/Polaris
A REPUTATION Alberto Brito, 24, a member of the Mara Salvatrucha, is in prison in El Salvador for murder.

Another upstanding member of the community

5 posted on 08/19/2007 2:34:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: John Jorsett

Thanks for the link.


6 posted on 08/19/2007 2:36:10 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

No problem. The mayor of Newark is a tool, and the more I can spread that knowledge, the better.


7 posted on 08/19/2007 2:38:38 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: neverdem
...bone-chilling reports of its machete attacks, beheadings and the fatal stabbing of a pregnant teenager...

And these guys are different from a terrorist group...how?

The time is overdue for gangs to be treated as hostile terrorist entities and a threat to homeland security. Mere membership in a criminal street gang should be ruled a criminal act in and of itself. Repeal People v. Green (1991) and similar rulings that say otherwise.

MS-13 should be seen through the same lens as we see any Islamic terrorist group. The authorities already know who a lot of these dangerous low-lifes are. Round them up and either incarcerate or deport them. I don't care if the National Guard needs to be brought in to get it done. No compromise, no tolerance, no mercy.
8 posted on 08/19/2007 2:42:52 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: John Jorsett
No problem. The mayor of Newark is a tool, and the more I can spread that knowledge, the better.

True, but homeland security is falling all over itself to make sure this scum remains on the street.

9 posted on 08/19/2007 2:45:23 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: goldstategop

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883092/posts?page=40#40

see post #40


10 posted on 08/19/2007 2:45:43 PM PDT by sheana
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To: RepublitarianRoger

A 28 year old and a 15 year old. We used to call that contributing to the delinquency of a minor.


11 posted on 08/19/2007 2:48:47 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: RepublitarianRoger

A 28 year old and a 15 year old. We used to call that contributing to the delinquency of a minor.


12 posted on 08/19/2007 2:49:00 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: saganite
“There’s a difference between a gang member and a wannabe,” Newark’s police director, Garry F. McCarthy

Why would American citizens care about any "difference". Do we get less killed by the wannabe?

13 posted on 08/19/2007 2:53:13 PM PDT by donna (Equal justice for U.S. citizens!)
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To: neverdem

I see that Brito can count up to his IQ using his fingers...impressive.


14 posted on 08/19/2007 2:53:18 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: neverdem
This might be too simplistic but.....

The law in the UK, Canada and the United States is virtually identical in one respect. The key word is CONSPIRACY.

Two or more persons who confer together to commit a crime. I am indebted to Wikipedia for a pretty fair run down on this law. No crime need be committed.

If the authorities with their resources could not prove this, then there is something lacking. History has shown that once determined authority, backed by public opinion, moves drastically, the cowardly thugs will run.

The less action, the more belligerence.

15 posted on 08/19/2007 2:59:08 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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MS-13?

Here's lead to them.

They should be hunted down, and treated with the same respect they used on those 4 teenagers.

That is all they understand.

I will laugh and cry in watching our liberal moonbats try and handle them. What a joke.

Where is Elliot Ness when you need him?

This was a federal hate crime, and the FBI should be all over this case.

We are far too tollerant of fascists,both Muslim and Mexican.

They need to be pursued, shot down if they resist, and if captured, prosecuted within the maximum sanctions provided by law.

16 posted on 08/19/2007 3:28:07 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: neverdem
Newark Mayor Booker's plan to curb guns

What a f$%king idiot.

Want to reduce crime?
-LOCK UP THE VIOLENT CRIMINALS
-DEPORT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS
-BUILD THE G$%DAMN FENCE
-KILL EVERY LAST MEMBER OF MS-13 AND LET GOD SORT THE BASTARDS OUT

90% of the violent crime in this country is committed by 10% of the population. Lock them up for life or execute them, I don't give a rat's ass which. Booker can stick his gun control and Big Brother's surveillance cameras where the sun don't shine.

17 posted on 08/19/2007 6:17:22 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: goldstategop

If I were king, I’d order anyone sporting the MS 13 tats to be shot on sight, the way rabid dogs would be put down.


18 posted on 08/19/2007 8:13:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: RepublitarianRoger
The time is overdue for gangs to be treated as hostile terrorist entities and a threat to homeland security. Mere membership in a criminal street gang should be ruled a criminal act in and of itself. Repeal People v. Green (1991) and similar rulings that say otherwise.

Call me paranoid (just kidding...DON'T) but I could envisage a time when an ultra liberal RAT Congress and an even more Globalist RAT/RINO President announce exactly the same thing about the NRA or your local evangelical church. You can't criminalize membership in any group in and of itself. That's prohibited in the First Amendment of the Constitution. You can only criminalize behaviors committed by group members if they're contrary to established law. With MS13 that's not hard at all. The difficult thing is in procuring live witnesses willing to testify against them. The reason they're not deported so often is that the Salvadoran Government treats them all the same way: The army meets the plane upon landing -- and the gang member is marched into the jungle where he's summarily executed. The Government knows the extent of the danger posed by these scum. That's fine...for them. But they don't have a Constitution like ours to restrain the actions of government. Arrest and execution because of mere group affiliation? Who does that sound like? Of what event does that remind you? If you said Hitler and the Holocaust, you can see where it could all lead.

19 posted on 08/20/2007 9:37:05 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
But they don't have a Constitution like ours to restrain the actions of government. Arrest and execution because of mere group affiliation? Who does that sound like? Of what event does that remind you? If you said Hitler and the Holocaust, you can see where it could all lead.

Dude, you know how much respect I have for you, but this is dabbling in relativism. MS13 is NOT just another group. Let's not conflate a foreign quasi-military force with the Shriners.

The ONLY similarity between the two is that they are, in fact, a group. The essense of educated citizenship is the ability to make critical distinctions.

20 posted on 08/20/2007 10:21:57 AM PDT by papertyger
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