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Divisive debate echoes across U.S. [ILLEGALS]
Star-Telegram Washington Bureau ^ | Aug. 19, 2007 | DAVE MONTGOMERY

Posted on 08/19/2007 10:06:46 AM PDT by Dubya

WASHINGTON -- The debate over illegal immigration has ceased in Congress, but almost nowhere else.

Widespread concerns about the impact of illegal immigration on jobs, social services and national security continues to generate intense rhetoric. And some see a dark side emerging, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century.

"I don't think there's been a time like this in our lifetime," said Doris Meissner of the Migration Policy Institute and former commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. "Even though immigration is always unsettling and somewhat controversial, we haven't had this kind of intensity and widespread, deep-seated anger for almost 100 years."

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of "nativist extremist" organizations fighting illegal immigration has gone from almost zero about five years ago to 144; nine are classified as hate groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan supremacists.

Some senators who participated in the midsummer debate over President Bush's unsuccessful immigration bill said they were barraged with some of the most venomous mail of their congressional careers. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who supported the bill legalizing undocumented immigrants, said he has received death threats.

"It is unbelievable how this has inflamed the American people," McCain said in an speech Thursday at the Aspen Institute in Colorado.

Eighty-three percent of immigrants from Mexico and 79 percent of immigrants from Central America believe that there is growing discrimination against Latin American immigrants in the United States, according to a poll conducted by the Miami-based Bendixen & Associates.

Instead of taking a downturn after the collapse of Bush's immigration overhaul in June, the debate over illegal immigration has seemingly escalated. As prospects for congressional action appeared increasingly in doubt, all 50 states and more than 75 towns and cities considered -- and in many cases enacted -- immigration restrictions, even though the courts thus far have declared such actions unconstitutional intrusions on federal responsibilities.

The slayings of three college students in Newark reignited calls for a clampdown on illegal immigration after the disclosure that one of the suspects, Jose Lachira Carranza, was an illegal immigrant from Peru who was free on bail awaiting trial on assault and child rape charges.

The case revitalized an argument made during the congressional debate that the flow of illegal immigrants, though predominated by job-seekers lured by the prospect of higher wages and better conditions, includes a criminal element.

A coalition of 15 anti-illegal-immigration groups accused Newark's and New Jersey's governments of "negligent complicity" in the deaths through inadequate law enforcement. The protest was organized by Dallas attorney David Marlett.

The Bush administration, in the absence of the sweeping overhaul sought by the president, moved this month to toughen enforcement of existing laws, threatening steeper penalties against employers and more vigorous work-site inspections.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bail; collaborators; crimaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; newark; sanctuarycities; usefulidiots
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To: alicewonders
It is absurd to bring race into it. For years, I have tried to point out the brutality and danger of giving a pass to the Russian Mafia, most of whom probably are blond and blue eyed.

Calling us who oppose criminals bigots and racists is ridiculous. It helps to make these labels increasingly meaningless.

61 posted on 08/19/2007 12:52:07 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dubya
A coalition of 15 anti-illegal-immigration groups accused Newark's and New Jersey's governments of "negligent complicity" in the deaths through inadequate law enforcement.

Could RICO be worked into this? I understand there has to be a financial loss involved.

62 posted on 08/19/2007 1:32:51 PM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: taxed2death
The SPLC gave my new book a rave review (when viewed from the opposite end of their commie-scope).

Books on the Right: A Nativist's Paranoid Vision

63 posted on 08/19/2007 2:00:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: CitizenUSA
See, I don’t want America to turn into Mexico or some other Latin American country. I also wouldn’t want it to turn into Germany, or China, or any other foreign country.

That is it in a nutshell...why, as the greatest country in the world, would we want to convert ourselves to the likes of any other country? Especially any Latiin American third-world lawless, socialist cesspool ?

64 posted on 08/19/2007 2:47:34 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Dubya

which he says is as important as America’s conflicts being fought overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan.


I believe that with all my heart...


65 posted on 08/19/2007 2:53:48 PM PDT by chasio649
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66 posted on 08/19/2007 2:57:00 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

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NOW you have ELVIRAD to track fugitive ELVIRA!!

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67 posted on 08/19/2007 2:57:20 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Niteflyr

Niteflyr wrote: “That is it in a nutshell...why, as the greatest country in the world, would we want to convert ourselves to the likes of any other country? Especially any Latiin American third-world lawless, socialist cesspool ?”

They wouldn’t be coming here if their own countries weren’t lawless cesspools. Yet, if we allow them (legal or otherwise) to come here without assimilating, they will destroy the very thing they came here to achieve!

Even worse, when massive numbers of the poorest and least educated citizens come here from a neighboring country, like Mexico, that does not speak the same language or share the same culture, they almost certainly will not and need not assimilate.

Again, it’s a cultural thing, and frankly, I want very little of theirs!


68 posted on 08/19/2007 3:17:20 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: taxed2death

Now THAT was an excellent post. Many don’t know that a lot of us have been here for years suffering the slings and arrows (and getting kicked off) just for telling these truths. The fascist haters have always given themselves away in short order yet the liberal ass clowns here have managed to get the most gifted conservative intellectuals banned by crying “racism” long and loud enough. I hope they enjoy the environment they helped create after kicking out the only ones smart enough to see the best solutions.

On the upside, I’m very heartened by seeing so many new members up in arms while being totally aware that a snow job (no pun intended) is blowing upon them. If this amount of FR is onto the scheme it’s not beyond reason to hope that the general public is at least suspicious of our government’s agenda. EVERYONE wants to know why the border isn’t secured six years after 9-11-01.


69 posted on 08/19/2007 3:58:06 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Bernard
“Illegal is not a race. Repeat as needed.”

Excellent and powerful statement against those who play the race card! Good advise, too! :-)

70 posted on 08/19/2007 4:03:47 PM PDT by OneHun
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To: Dubya


The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of “nativist extremist” organizations fighting illegal immigration has gone from almost zero about five years ago to 144; nine are classified as hate groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan supremacists.

Folks like Lindsay Graham and Michael Chertoff share the same view of us as hateful bigots.


71 posted on 08/19/2007 4:04:51 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: Duffboy
Yes, I am a proud American who resents the wholesale invasion of my country by unwashed, illiterate aliens who take and take our hard-earned tax dollars in free services and give me the middle finger when we speak up against them.

God, how I dream of the day when a real leader emerges, takes charge and kicks every last one of them out!

BTTT!

72 posted on 08/19/2007 4:17:49 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: AuntB
....and in other news......a few of the dead Americans lost THIS week (either killed or being tried) to illegal aliens .....

Horrific. I wish you could broadcast that everywhere. Excellent job.

73 posted on 08/19/2007 4:30:07 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: gubamyster

Bttt!


74 posted on 08/19/2007 5:33:28 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
I'm talking about at a minimum, 12 million illegal (mostly) Mexicans who have and are are "sneaking" over the border every day and draining yours and my Social Security that we paid into for retirement, getting free public school, free medical care (can you get that?) free dental and I bet eye care. Need I go on. I'm not talking about an individual using legal methods to be here.

It is the subject of this and most discussions about "illegal immigration aliens. That "thing" the government, from the President on down, wants to cram down our wallets. It's our money that we earned and they are giving it away to people who are not here legally. Every time we turn around they are taking more and more from us for some idiotic handout. It is the Hillary/Karl Marx idea that we take from the "rich" and give to the poor there by equaling out the wealth and destroying the economy. When there is no reward for hard work, people will not work hard. It has mammoth implications.

75 posted on 08/20/2007 3:36:36 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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To: Chode
Thank you. Now maybe I can get some sleep. And yes, I do totally agree. It is ours, not theirs. If they want it to be theirs there is a legal way to go about that. Come in the front door, get a job, earn a living for their families, learn the language, pay taxes and contribute to the American society. Don’t bleed it dry.
76 posted on 08/20/2007 3:41:14 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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