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Decisions Upend Judges' Lives (Judge George Greer at AMA Annual Meeting)
CAL Law ^ | August 13, 2007 | Mike McKee

Posted on 08/19/2007 3:41:17 AM PDT by amdgmary

More than two years after enraging right-wing groups by ordering Terry Schiavo's feeding tube removed, George Greer still peers over his shoulder nervously at times.

In fact, the Florida judge told a rapt audience Friday at the American Bar Association's annual meeting, he even used an alias when he registered at his San Francisco hotel on this trip.

Two years ago, he said, someone in the Bay Area threatened to kill him over his decision to end life support for the brain-damaged Schiavo. And even though that person was prosecuted and jailed, Greer said, he's taking no chances.

"It is a little unnerving," he said. "I still can't see a strange car come down my street without wondering [who's behind the steering wheel]."

Greer talked about he and his wife had to be placed under 24-hour watch after Operation Rescue posted their home address and phone number on its Web site. All of their mail was checked by authorities and on one occasion dead flowers were delivered to their condominium with a note reading, "No Food, No Water" — a reference to Schiavo.

"It got to the point," Greer said, "that we felt a little trapped in our apartment."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: ama; georgegreer; judge; judgegeorgegreer; judgegreer; judicialhomicide; judicialtyranny; meninblack; pinellascounty; terrischiavo
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To: Mark was here

Calm down, you are starting to sound like a Judge Greer wannabe. If you are so concerned about hate, just look at the hatred in the acts and words of Judge Greer and Michael. The list of illegal, immoral, and hateful acts committed by those two is a long one. For starters, read Mark Fuhrman’s book, “Silent Witness.”


121 posted on 08/19/2007 12:46:53 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3
If you are so concerned about hate, just look at the hatred in the acts and words of Judge Greer and Michael.

This may sound corney, but I really do not care about the Judge or Michael. I may be sorry for saying this but I just do like seeing it come from fellow Freepers.

122 posted on 08/19/2007 12:55:47 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: BigCinBigD

he actually thinks he’s a MARTYR for the cause and that letting Terri die was his ultimate sacrifice......


123 posted on 08/19/2007 1:02:03 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Mark was here

‘....The Judge did not murder anyone......”

You are absolutely correct. He only forbid giving her food and water. She had the option of living without food or water if she choose.


124 posted on 08/19/2007 1:04:38 PM PDT by sport
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To: sport
You are absolutely correct. He only forbid giving her food and water. She had the option of living without food or water if she choose.

All she had to do was hit the call button and order a nice juicy steak, some onion rings a milk shake and a chocolate Jesus for desert!

125 posted on 08/19/2007 1:08:04 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: amdgmary
Beyond the personal feelings that we may have towards Judge Greer (either good feelings or bad feelings), the case should illustrate the weakness in a system that places too much authority in one judge's "finding." When the appeals courts were asked to re-examine the whole issue of whether Miss Shindler was in a permanent vegetative state, they deferred to Judge Greer's original "finding" that she was.

Most judges do not have the educational and experiential background to understand technical issues, and medical issues are essentially technical issues. The whole political science/history/law field is not based on absolutes that can be measured and tested beyond question. When an engineer designs a bridge, that bridge will either stand or fall. The stand of fall of that bridge is an absolute. In law, history, or similar fields, there is no similar absolute test of right or wrong. Right and wrong simply become whatever most people, or most people in positions of power, decide. People with training in fields such as law or political science often fail to understand the fact that technical questions often have absolute answers. Even those who understand this difference often lack any real background in medicine or science. They can listen to various experts and try to make a decision based on their evaluation of those experts as people, but they often lack the education to understand the basic science underlying the issue.

Because judges really aren't qualified to render an authoritative medical or scientific decision, the decision of one judge on one of these topics should always be subject to extensive review. In life and death situations such as the one Terri faced, Greer's "finding" should have automatically been reviewed by other judges.

Regardless of how anyone feels about Judge Greer or the decision he made, he should not have had the power that he did in this case. He may have truly believed that he was doing right, but the desire to do right doesn't mean that a decision made in ignorance will be the right decision.

Bill

126 posted on 08/19/2007 1:08:33 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: MainFrame65
Well said. Well said indeed.

L

127 posted on 08/19/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Dante3

Try this one, it’s a little better.

I may be sorry for saying this but I just do not like seeing it come from fellow Freepers.


128 posted on 08/19/2007 1:17:09 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here

Don’t quit your day job.


129 posted on 08/19/2007 1:34:43 PM PDT by sport
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To: sport
Don’t quit your day job.

Keep up the biter hatred, it's good for you, and it would make Jesus proud.

130 posted on 08/19/2007 1:51:55 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Sun

***I wish more people knew how horrible dehydrating a person who is not dying, is, so they won’t allow medical people to talk them into doing this to their loved oes.***

Well, you know, Sun, the doctors tell the family, “Your Dad has lived a long life, and he wouldn’t want you to keep him alive and cause you extra grief and expense. Why don’t you just let us stop the hydration?” And the family believes the doctor.


131 posted on 08/19/2007 2:41:32 PM PDT by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: Mark was here

***Personally the Judge was placed in a position to make a decision, that was not going to satisfy everyone.***

No, this judge did NOT make a new decision. He would not allow new witnesses, such as the nurses who cared for Terri and wanted to testify in her behalf. He merey ruled on old evidence and found the same judgment as before.

And, please note, you have not and will not find any hate-filled statements from me.


132 posted on 08/19/2007 2:47:53 PM PDT by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: Sun; Mark was here
Sun, I believe you are wasting your efforts on this individual. I suspect that he/she is a Bible quoting Atheist, who is just interested in "sticking it to the Christians" for a little fun.

If he really was Christian, he would not use the attack and ridicule method to convince other Christians of any incorrect actions he/she felt they were taking.

These Atheist Bible quoters usually show their real intent, and lack of morals/character as they continue to post. I suggest that a full reading of this poster's comments, from the beginning of the thread shows that this is not a "Christian, concerned about his fellow FReepers".

The recent instances of people coming out of comas and "persistent vegetative states", should give pause to anyone as they look back at the situation with Teri.

I can think of no greater terror than being in situation in which you may be able to hear people planning on ending your life, while you can't physically articulate a "please, please, don't kill me!" response.

133 posted on 08/19/2007 3:22:03 PM PDT by Col Freeper
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To: All; Dante3; Mark was here

“Didn’t Michael Schiavo say in one of his interviews that pulling the plug on his parents make him feel good?”

Michael had his own parents killed. He admitted it on national tv on Larry King’s shows.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/lkl1.htm

CALLER: Yes. Does it bother you that the death is so slow? Maybe Dr. Kevorkian-style would be a faster, more peaceful way?

SCHIAVO: Removing somebody’s feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die. Probably the second better way to die, being the first being an aneurysm.
And it doesn’t bother me at all. I’ve seen it happen.

I had to do it with my own parents.


134 posted on 08/19/2007 3:28:33 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Mark was here; Dante3

Schiavo admitted on Larry King that he enjoyed killing his parents, and that he deliberately inflicted unnecessary pain on Terri’s family. Dante3’s hatred of Schiavo’s behavior isn’t the cause of Schiavo’s sadism.


135 posted on 08/19/2007 3:34:34 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit. ~ Þ)
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To: Mark was here

Why would anyone bother with divorce under those circumstances? When you get tired of your spouse, you can just declare them dead, and that gives you the right to kill them.

Terri was alive, and even the law recognized the fact that she was alive. Greer didn’t delegate power to Schiavo to declare her dead. He ordered her starved and dehydrated to death. He couldn’t have done that if she was already dead.

You should find a dictionary, and look up “dead” and “alive.” That might help to clear some things up for you. Once you know the difference, you’ll be in a better position to discuss it.


136 posted on 08/19/2007 3:43:23 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit. ~ Þ)
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To: Col Freeper

“I can think of no greater terror than being in situation in which you may be able to hear people planning on ending your life, while you can’t physically articulate a “please, please, don’t kill me!” response.”

It must be agony.


137 posted on 08/19/2007 3:59:38 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Col Freeper
If he really was Christian, he would not use the attack and ridicule method to convince other Christians of any incorrect actions he/she felt they were taking.

These Atheist Bible quoters usually show their real intent, and lack of morals/character as they continue to post. I suggest that a full reading of this poster's comments, from the beginning of the thread shows that this is not a "Christian, concerned about his fellow FReepers".

My oh my, now I am an immoral atheist, do you have any more insults? Bring on your insults if it makes you feel better. You can even wish the Judge to roast in hell to score extra brownie points with God. Who knows hurl enough insults and you may even become a Saint. If any one deserves it you do.

What am I saying that you find so repellent? Simply it is not advisable to have so much hatred towards the Judge. Some may disagree with the decision that the family has the say, but I do not. If that makes me an atheist in your saintly opinion, thats the breaks I suppose.

139 posted on 08/19/2007 4:29:54 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Simul iustus et peccator
As someone previously noted, repentance precedes forgiveness. If Judge Greer truly repented it would be disobedient for any Christian not to forgive him.

Sorry but I never learned the notion that man had to confess his sins to other men in order to be forgiven. I was taught it was simply a mater between the individual and God. Silly me.

140 posted on 08/19/2007 4:37:51 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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