Posted on 08/19/2007 3:41:17 AM PDT by amdgmary
More than two years after enraging right-wing groups by ordering Terry Schiavo's feeding tube removed, George Greer still peers over his shoulder nervously at times.
In fact, the Florida judge told a rapt audience Friday at the American Bar Association's annual meeting, he even used an alias when he registered at his San Francisco hotel on this trip.
Two years ago, he said, someone in the Bay Area threatened to kill him over his decision to end life support for the brain-damaged Schiavo. And even though that person was prosecuted and jailed, Greer said, he's taking no chances.
"It is a little unnerving," he said. "I still can't see a strange car come down my street without wondering [who's behind the steering wheel]."
Greer talked about he and his wife had to be placed under 24-hour watch after Operation Rescue posted their home address and phone number on its Web site. All of their mail was checked by authorities and on one occasion dead flowers were delivered to their condominium with a note reading, "No Food, No Water" — a reference to Schiavo.
"It got to the point," Greer said, "that we felt a little trapped in our apartment."
"I have tried to figure out his motivation. Sadism for sure. He enjoys causing pain to others. He leaves the impression of being a sociopath. There might also be greed, such as kickback or other favors from Michael"
There is such hatred for him that some actually belive he enjoys causing pain.
Deathbot Chris Matthews is so obsessed with Terri’s case that he asked this at the first GOP presidential debate:
“MR. MATTHEWS: Okay.
Let me ask you a question which has grabbed a lot of Americans personally, the Terri Schaivo case. Again, it was a question of whether the United States — the U.S. Congress should have intervened and passed a law to advise the appellate court whether to act or not in this case, the district court it was. Terri Schaivo, should Congress have acted or let the family make the decision, the husband?
MR. ROMNEY: I think we should generally let the family make a decision of this nature. In the case —
MR. MATTHEWS: The husband should have decided?
MR. ROMNEY: Generally we should make that decision.
In the case here, the courts decided that — what they thought was the right thing to do, and then I think Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature did the right thing by saying we’ve got a concern. They looked over the shoulder of the court. But I think the decision of Congress to get involved was a mistake.
MR. MATTHEWS: Okay.
MR. ROMNEY: I think that Congress’s job is to make sure that laws are respecting the sanctity of life. But to actually adjudicate a case like this, better done at the state level by the governor, the legislature and the court.
MR. MATTHEWS: Senator Brownback, should Congress have gotten involved in that personal case?
SEN. BROWNBACK: Yes, it should have, and it gave her the right and the family the right to take that appeal to the court. That’s what the Congress did.
And her life is sacred. Even if it’s in that difficult moment that she’s in at that point in time, that life is sacred. And we should stand for life in all its circumstances.
MR. MATTHEWS: Senator McCain, was Congress right in intervening in that case?
SEN. MCCAIN: It was a very, very difficult issue. All of us were deeply moved by the pictures and the depiction of this terrible, tragic case. In retrospect, we should have taken some more time, looked at it more carefully, and probably reacted to hastily.
MR. MATTHEWS: Mayor Giuliani, was that a good thing for Congress to do, to get involved that weekend?
MR. GIULIANI: The family was in dispute. That’s what we have courts for. And the better place to decide that in a much more — I think in a much fairer and even in a deeper way is in front of a court.
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“MR. MATTHEWS: Okay. Congressman, Bill Clinton back home.
REP. HUNTER: You know, Bill Clinton cut the U.S. Army by almost 50 percent. In this war against terror, he’s the wrong guy to have in there.
==>And incidentally, on the Schiavo case, you know Ronald Reagan said on the question of life, when there’s a question, error on the side of life. I think Congress did the right thing.”’
http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=5562636
A person has to ask for forgiveness before they are forgiven.
You seem to be very confused, and should talk with your clergyman about this.
Sure murder is wrong. No need to guess. The Judge did not murder anyone, he allowed the family to decide that a loved one had passed. Nothing more.
“Repentance is the prerequisite to forgiveness. This monster remains a danger to every one of us in dire circumstances, not merely for his personal actions but for the effects of them, propagated through the system by its limitations and strictures.”
BINGO!
Regarding Terri’s care, according to Cindy Shook, Michael’s girlfriend 1 1/2 years after Terri was hurt, Michael Schiavo said:
“How the hell should I know we never spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How the hell should I know? We were young. We never spoke of this.”
You seem to be very confused, and should talk with your clergyman about this.
When Jesus was on the cross he said "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." Maybe he should of asked a clergyman for some advice, because they did not ask for forgiveness.
Anyway thanks for the friendly advice, it was sure valuable, and I shall cherish it forever.
Judge Greer allowed Terri to be murdered - legal homicide.
We don’t live in a radical Islam state where a husband can murder his wife.
I figured you would be afraid to ask your cleric.
Judge Greer DID know what he was doing, when he did this:
“If Judge Greer’s 2000 order authorizing Michael Schiavo to end his wife’s life were a criminal death sentence, Terri would be entitled to a new trial on the basis of reversible error,” Gibbs said.
The alleged error centers on the testimony of Diane Meyer, one of Terri’s life-long friends. She told Greer that Terri had expressed her disagreement with the decision of Karen Ann Quinlan’s parents to remove their comatose daughter from life support in a highly publicized “right-to-die” case in the 1970s and 1980s.
“There was an incident when I told a poor joke about Karen Ann Quinlan. I remember distinctly because Terri never lost her temper with me. This time she did,” Meyer testified in 2002.” She told me that she did not approve of what was going on or what happened in the Karen Ann Quinlan case.”
Meyer told the court that the conversation had taken place, “in the summer of 1982.”
Greer ruled that, because Meyer spoke of the conversation in the present tense, she must have been mistaken about the date. He deduced that the comments must have been made in the mid-1970s, when Terri would have been only 11 or 12 years old.
“The first quote involved a bad joke and used the verb ‘is.’ The second quote involved the response from Terri Schiavo, which used the word ‘are,’” Greer wrote in his decision. “The court is mystified as to how these present tense verbs would have been used some six years after the death of Karen Ann Quinlan.”
As a result, Greer ruled that the statement that she “would not want to be kept alive artificially” - which Terri allegedly made in the presence of her husband, brother-in-law and brother-in-law’s wife - was Terri’s only adultcomment on the matter.
But Gibbs’ motion argued that it was Greer, not Meyer, who was in error.
“The court discredited Ms. Meyer’s testimony because of its own mistaken conclusion that Karen Ann Quinlan was dead in 1982. In reality, Ms. Quinlan was very much alive in 1982,” Gibbs wrote. “Ms. Quinlan did not die until 1985, some nine years after her court case ended and her respirator was removed.”
Greer’s refusal to consider Meyer’s testimony as equal to that of Terri’s husband and in-laws constitutes a reversible error, Gibbs claimed.
excerpt: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200503\CUL20050303b.html
And Judge Greer DID know what he was neglecting, when he allowed this:
“Violations of Florida Statutes against Terri Schiavo
744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.
(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:
(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.
(VIOLATED – Her husband/guardian has failed to file such plans for a number of years. During the years in which he DID submit the required plan, he entered “NONE” as his plan of action.)
(b) To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or her rights.
(VIOLATED – The guardian courts have not required her husband/guardian to file such reports mentioned above and no consistent continuing review has taken place because of that.)
(c) To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.
(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received therapy since prior to the 1992 medical malpractice settlement in her favor which was intended to facilitate such therapy.)
(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.
(VIOLATED – deliberate acts of omission [including humane care and food and water] are considered felony abuse under the law.)
(e) To have a qualified guardian.
(VIOLATED – her husband/guardian is no longer qualified for his failure to comply with Florida law requiring annual review of guardianship, failure to properly maintain the property of the ward, failure to comply with the ward’s retained rights to necessary services and living in open adultery which is a misdemeanor under Florida law.)
(f) To remain as independent as possible, including having his or her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.
(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo is wrongfully confined to a Hospice facility and further confined to a single room without social interaction, stimulation and human company.)
(g) To be properly educated.
(VIOLATED – Terri has not received speech therapy which could enable her to communicate more effective and to manage table food. She has not received help in learning any other protocol (such as blinking) to assist her in communicating more effectively.)”
I HAVE MORE - MUCH MORE!!!!
Interesting, liberal judges usually are usually loath to imprison those who actually commit crimes. Here, just the threat against one of their own and it jail time.
If Terri’s parents showed videos that they had of Terri showing how cognitive she was, they would not have been allowed to visit her.
Read this:
http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/bushnell.pdf
THIS shows that Michael Schiavo, and friends, DID NOT want the truth to get out about Terri’s cognitive abilities. Terri was severely brain damaged, but NOT brain dead.
About as quick as the million dollars in the malpractice lawsuit was snapped up.
Look I do not think people should be murdered. I consider my self strongly pro-life. My take in this case is that sadly life actually stopped a long time before anyone ever heard of Judge Greer.
He was wrong, BIG TIME.
Violence should not be visited upon the man, but I certainly hope if he ever faces a re-election or re-appointment to the bench he'll be removed.
The guy was just flat out wrong to let the woman starve to death.
typical liberal crap: It's all about THEM!
“My take in this case is that sadly life actually stopped a long time before anyone ever heard of Judge Greer.”
Your “take” is DEAD wrong. You are a victim of MSM brainwashing. You only heard one side, at least most of the time.
I saw a video where Terri laughed at her dad’s jokes.
Read my post No. 112.
I have lots more. Can you provide a link showing that Terri was dead. You can’t; because she was not.
Didn’t Michael Schiavo say in one of his interviews that pulling the plug on his parents make him feel good?
I'd wish she'd be there as the one to pronouce judgement upon his head.
I have made my point and the hatred towards the Judge has reinforced it.
If the courts could of found one Doctor to say Terri's recovery was around the corner, the judge would have hung his hat on it and kept the decision out of the family's hand.
When the man murdered the Amish school children, the Amish immediately forgave him, and began healing. Note that they did not consult clergy and demand that the man ask for forgiveness.
As far as the condition of Terri goes, the debate will never end. It is now a debate in the realm of faith, like those who push Global Warming as a mater of faith.
Keeping her alive (aside from all the moral issues) would have inconvenienced no one.
There were some questions about her injuries. When she was taken to the emergency room she had bruising around her neck. Some have suggested that the husband did not want to risk her recovering and regaining the ability to speak.
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