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To: Sun
A person has to ask for forgiveness before they are forgiven.

You seem to be very confused, and should talk with your clergyman about this.

When Jesus was on the cross he said "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." Maybe he should of asked a clergyman for some advice, because they did not ask for forgiveness.

Anyway thanks for the friendly advice, it was sure valuable, and I shall cherish it forever.

107 posted on 08/19/2007 11:58:36 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here

I figured you would be afraid to ask your cleric.

Judge Greer DID know what he was doing, when he did this:

“If Judge Greer’s 2000 order authorizing Michael Schiavo to end his wife’s life were a criminal death sentence, Terri would be entitled to a new trial on the basis of reversible error,” Gibbs said.

The alleged error centers on the testimony of Diane Meyer, one of Terri’s life-long friends. She told Greer that Terri had expressed her disagreement with the decision of Karen Ann Quinlan’s parents to remove their comatose daughter from life support in a highly publicized “right-to-die” case in the 1970s and 1980s.

“There was an incident when I told a poor joke about Karen Ann Quinlan. I remember distinctly because Terri never lost her temper with me. This time she did,” Meyer testified in 2002.” She told me that she did not approve of what was going on or what happened in the Karen Ann Quinlan case.”

Meyer told the court that the conversation had taken place, “in the summer of 1982.”

Greer ruled that, because Meyer spoke of the conversation in the present tense, she must have been mistaken about the date. He deduced that the comments must have been made in the mid-1970s, when Terri would have been only 11 or 12 years old.

“The first quote involved a bad joke and used the verb ‘is.’ The second quote involved the response from Terri Schiavo, which used the word ‘are,’” Greer wrote in his decision. “The court is mystified as to how these present tense verbs would have been used some six years after the death of Karen Ann Quinlan.”

As a result, Greer ruled that the statement that she “would not want to be kept alive artificially” - which Terri allegedly made in the presence of her husband, brother-in-law and brother-in-law’s wife - was Terri’s only adultcomment on the matter.

But Gibbs’ motion argued that it was Greer, not Meyer, who was in error.

“The court discredited Ms. Meyer’s testimony because of its own mistaken conclusion that Karen Ann Quinlan was dead in 1982. In reality, Ms. Quinlan was very much alive in 1982,” Gibbs wrote. “Ms. Quinlan did not die until 1985, some nine years after her court case ended and her respirator was removed.”

Greer’s refusal to consider Meyer’s testimony as equal to that of Terri’s husband and in-laws constitutes a reversible error, Gibbs claimed.

excerpt: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200503\CUL20050303b.html


109 posted on 08/19/2007 12:01:08 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: All; Mark was here

And Judge Greer DID know what he was neglecting, when he allowed this:

“Violations of Florida Statutes against Terri Schiavo

744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0744/SEC3215.HTM&Title=-%3E2003-%3ECh0744-%3ESection%203215

(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:

(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

(VIOLATED – Her husband/guardian has failed to file such plans for a number of years. During the years in which he DID submit the required plan, he entered “NONE” as his plan of action.)

(b) To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or her rights.
(VIOLATED – The guardian courts have not required her husband/guardian to file such reports mentioned above and no consistent continuing review has taken place because of that.)

(c) To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.
(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received therapy since prior to the 1992 medical malpractice settlement in her favor which was intended to facilitate such therapy.)

(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.
(VIOLATED – deliberate acts of omission [including humane care and food and water] are considered felony abuse under the law.)

(e) To have a qualified guardian.
(VIOLATED – her husband/guardian is no longer qualified for his failure to comply with Florida law requiring annual review of guardianship, failure to properly maintain the property of the ward, failure to comply with the ward’s retained rights to necessary services and living in open adultery which is a misdemeanor under Florida law.)

(f) To remain as independent as possible, including having his or her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo is wrongfully confined to a Hospice facility and further confined to a single room without social interaction, stimulation and human company.)

(g) To be properly educated.

(VIOLATED – Terri has not received speech therapy which could enable her to communicate more effective and to manage table food. She has not received help in learning any other protocol (such as blinking) to assist her in communicating more effectively.)”

I HAVE MORE - MUCH MORE!!!!


110 posted on 08/19/2007 12:04:59 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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