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U.S. guns bolster Mexican traffickers
ContraCosta Times ^ | 08/15/2007 | IOAN GRILLO (AP)

Posted on 08/15/2007 1:17:50 PM PDT by holymoly

MEXICO CITY—Authorities are sounding the alarm about an influx of assault rifles, armor-piercing pistols and fragmentation grenades from the United States, weapons that they say are increasingly being used to kill police and soldiers fighting drug cartels.

U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials report a sharp increase in both the flow and firepower of U.S. weapons across the border. Particularly worrisome are assault rifles and "cop-killer" pistols.

Mexico has strict firearms laws, few gun stores and a mere 4,300 private licensed gun holders among its 105 million people. The United States, with nearly as many guns as people, has more than 100,000 licensed gun sellers, an industry that makes about 2.8 million small arms a year, and gun laws so loose that arms traffickers easily pick up any weapons they need.

Despite Mexico's gun control laws, criminals have long smuggled guns in from the United States.

"The problem is getting bigger because the illegal possession of arms, and their clandestine introduction to our country, combines with narcotics trafficking," said a government report to Mexico's Senate in June.

It said 99.4 percent of the weapons in the hands of Mexican criminals are suspected of coming from the United States.

At least 11,752 U.S.-sold guns have been found in Mexico since January 2003—a tiny fraction of what remains on the streets, according to the report.

It did not give figures for previous years. But one indicator of a new gun glut is the fact that hit men drop their guns at crime scenes rather than be caught with them afterward, knowing they are easily replaced, a senior U.S. law enforcement official in Mexico said on condition of anonymity for security reasons.

Particularly worrisome are U.S. sales of Belgian-made FN-57 pistols. These fire bullets that "will defeat most body armor in military service around the world today," according to the Remtek weapons site on the Internet. They sell for $800-$1,000 each at dozens of gun stores within a day's drive of the border.

The weapons were unheard of in Mexico until they were used to kill at least a half dozen police officers this year. Among them were Mexico City policemen Felix Perez and Jose Rodriguez, slain in May when a car full of suspected mobsters fired FN-57s whose bullets sliced right through the officers' body armor.

In all, about 100 Mexican officers have been slain since President Felipe Calderon launched an ambitious nationwide crackdown on the drug trade this year.

"U.S. laws allow citizens to have guns that are authentically warlike," Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora complained at a recent news conference. "We have to find a more effective way of stopping these arms from flowing into the country and giving these gangs such significant firepower."

The U.S. Congress has so far resisted these calls. It's particularly easy to buy weapons at the thousands of U.S. gun shows held each year, where the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stopped checking addresses of gun buyers after the National Rifle Association complained that sales plummeted.

Mexico also wants lawmakers in Washington to loosen restrictions on who can see gun-purchasing data, but that's unlikely given the strong opposition from the NRA.

The U.S. government is now restricted in many cases from sharing such information with local police departments, let alone the Mexican government, making it difficult to trace illegal guns or arrest weapons traffickers.

Mexican officials also complain that U.S. judges give firearms traffickers lighter sentences than drug dealers.

Mexican arms traffickers pay U.S. residents a profit of $20 to $200 per weapon to make purchases, the U.S. official said. The guns are then hidden in car compartments, truckloads of consumer goods and even small planes, crossing into Mexico in the same vehicles that carry cocaine, marijuana and heroin north, the official said.

The ATF says it is fighting the problem by sending more agents to the border and giving Mexico a pack of gun-sniffing Labrador retrievers this year.

U.S. officials also put blame on Mexico, saying officials rarely search southbound traffic along the border. But Mexican customs agents who do are often given a grim choice: "plata o plomo"—the silver of a bribe, or the lead of a bullet.

In February, Mexican customs agent Jorge Santillan seized a truck crossing from Brownsville, Texas, to Matamoros, Mexico, carrying a grenade launcher and 17 grenades along with 18 rifles and 17 pistols. The shipment allegedly belonged to the Zetas, a feared group of former soldiers-turned-hitmen.

Days later, the agent was shot to death with a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

Once inside Mexico, weapons are sold in black-market shops for double the U.S. price.

Mexico City gun enthusiast Daniel Aguilera described illegally buying a submachine gun from vendors in the capital's Tepito barrio who let him test the merchandise on a stack of cans in a tenement building.

"Buying a gun in Mexico is a piece of cake," Aguilera said. "You can get your hands on one in a couple of hours, if you know the right people."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events
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Authorities are sounding the alarm about an influx of assault rifles, armor-piercing pistols and fragmentation grenades from the United States

"armor-piercing pistols"?

This nitwit doesn't even understand the difference between a firearm and a cartridge.

For those who don't know a great deal about firearms:

There is no such thing as an "armor piercing pistol". A pistol may fire ammunition which is armor piercing. Armor-piercing ammunition usually has a core of a hard metal, such as steel or tungsten carbide, rather than relatively soft lead.

"Armor piercing" ammunition is not defined by a cartridges' ability to penetrate any class of body-armor.

1 posted on 08/15/2007 1:17:54 PM PDT by holymoly
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I was going to ask about the model number of one of those “cop-killer” pistols........


2 posted on 08/15/2007 1:20:35 PM PDT by G-Bear (Religiously, five times a day, I turn my back on Mecca and fart!)
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To: holymoly

“U.S. laws allow citizens to have guns that are authentically warlike,” Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora complained at a recent news conference. “We have to find a more effective way of stopping these arms from flowing into the country and giving these gangs such significant firepower.””

Shut your friggin border down you moronic idiot.

Win win, you get to keep our guns out and your deadbeat jerkoff criminals in.


3 posted on 08/15/2007 1:23:19 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.)
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BUWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

armor-piercing pistols and fragmentation grenades from the United States

Armor-piercing pistols?

Yea, gotta go on down to BassPro and pick up another box of frag’s before the weekend ya know!

What a dumbazz!

4 posted on 08/15/2007 1:23:54 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: holymoly

Wow, that article had every anti civil rights buzzword in it, from “gun shows” to “assualt rifles”.

So Mexico is in a tizzy over US Civil rights?

I should care “why” exactly?


5 posted on 08/15/2007 1:24:30 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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“We have to find a more effective way of stopping these arms from flowing into the country and giving these gangs such significant firepower.”


Easy, seal the damned border!


6 posted on 08/15/2007 1:24:39 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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The U.S. carefully crafted refusal to enforce our border is the biggest asset of the traffickers. Until we take serious measures to enforce illegal traffic across the border we invite the intrusions. But the we wouldn’t want to interfere with the “workers” swarming across.


7 posted on 08/15/2007 1:24:42 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: holymoly
Yeah i saw that FN pistol at a gun show. Has a high cap mag and the rounds look like shortened 5.56 mm rifle cartridges. It was a very cool piece.

If mexico tolerates their own brand of narco trafficking, corruption and flesh peddling, they need to blame their fool selves and not our guns.

8 posted on 08/15/2007 1:25:09 PM PDT by Weeedley (Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.)
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“Despite Mexico’s gun control laws, criminals have long smuggled guns in from the United States.”

Close down the border and you won’t have those guns sneaking into your country!


9 posted on 08/15/2007 1:26:13 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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Sounds like a border problem. We need to contact the Mexican government and tell them we are having a border problem too. Maybe their related, who knows.


10 posted on 08/15/2007 1:27:05 PM PDT by CarryingOn (Spread the message every day, like your life depended on it.)
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To: holymoly
The U.S. Congress has so far resisted these calls. It's particularly easy to buy weapons at the thousands of U.S. gun shows held each year, where the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stopped checking addresses of gun buyers after the National Rifle Association complained that sales plummeted.

Yep, can't be selling guns to those folks that live in the wrong part of town!

Here ya go, this is getting to be sooooo typical..


11 posted on 08/15/2007 1:29:12 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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I’m not even a gun owner yet, nor do I own every single fact about gun laws and gun control laws, but if I could give a speech to Congress, their jaws will be on the floor.

Oh, and also making sure Peloopsi gives me the specified time, not 30 seconds because she’s tired of hearing facts.


12 posted on 08/15/2007 1:31:46 PM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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Gee, If I were Mexico, I’d build a huge wall all along the border to prevent those evil death machines from invading their wonderful country.

I’m not going to waste everyone’s time pointing out the details how ignorant the author of this piece of tripe is about the subject.

But it might be worth mentioning that if the decent citizens of Mexico WERE allowed to acquire weapons to defend themselves from the criminals (and that includes the government) they might want to stay there instead of fleeing north to the ‘land of armor penetrating pistols’.


13 posted on 08/15/2007 1:33:29 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: holymoly

Once again it is the inanimate objects that are to blame for death and destruction, not the human vermin that wield them.


14 posted on 08/15/2007 1:34:13 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: holymoly
pack of gun-sniffing Labrador retrievers

I gotta' have one of these! Can they be trained to pick out good deals, like some kind of 'bargain hound' ?

15 posted on 08/15/2007 1:34:47 PM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

And I wonder how many assault weapons and guns are coming in from China? A flood, probably...


16 posted on 08/15/2007 1:35:02 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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influx of assault rifles, armor-piercing pistols and fragmentation grenades from the United States

None of which are legal for civilians in the USA.

"Assault rifles"? Nothing made after '86 is legal. Pre-'86 ones are hideiously expensive; why buy a $16,000 M16 when the same bucks can buy 100 AK-47s?

"Armor-piercing pistols"? If they exist, we can't buy such food for them.

"Fragmentation grenades"? Only after paying a $200 transfer tax, which is pretty pointless to get just one 'bang'.

Hysterical fearmongering idiot.

17 posted on 08/15/2007 1:37:19 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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“increasingly being used to kill police and soldiers fighting drug cartels.”

Drug traffickers aren’t stupid. They know its cheaper to buy these guys than it is to shoot them.


18 posted on 08/15/2007 1:42:32 PM PDT by Spok
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Sound familiar? To Mexico, We are now Iran or Syria.


19 posted on 08/15/2007 1:44:30 PM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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To: holymoly; Roamin53; genxer; time4good; NoTaxTexas; RGVTx; notaliberal; 19th LA Inf; ImpBill; ...

Shane: A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.


20 posted on 08/15/2007 1:47:16 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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