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NASA global warming temperature revision redux: How big is the problem?
Hot Air ^ | 8/13/07

Posted on 08/13/2007 12:27:03 PM PDT by bnelson44

Via Noel Sheppard, the guys who exposed the big data bug in the NASA temperature calculations last week have now responded to the global warming believers who naturally downplayed the error and dismissed it as irrelevant to GW trends. No commentary here from me; just follow the drill from the last post and read Steve McIntyre’s and Warren Meyer’s posts slowly and carefully. The bullet points version of McIntyre to guide you as you go: 1. NASA and James Hansen have allegedly shown an astonishing amount of bad faith in protecting their bogus numbers. Last week’s posts noted how secretive Hansen has been in hoarding the algorithm he uses to make temperature adjustments, but most of McIntyre’s wrath this time is reserved for NASA, which pointedly declined to mention prominently that it had revised its own data lest it attract any unwelcome public attention. 2. While the revisions to U.S. data didn’t have an affect on global averages, they did obviously have a “significant” effect on U.S. averages while pointing up potential errors in data collection worldwide. Specifically, according to McIntyre, not only are certain U.S. temperature measurement stations that are thought to be unreliable being “adjusted” by algorithm, even stations not thought to be unreliable may be undergoing adjustment. Quote:

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1 posted on 08/13/2007 12:27:09 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: bnelson44

Via Noel Sheppard, the guys who exposed the big data bug in the NASA temperature calculations last week have now responded to the global warming believers who naturally downplayed the error and dismissed it as irrelevant to GW trends. No commentary here from me; just follow the drill from the last post and read Steve McIntyre’s and Warren Meyer’s posts slowly and carefully. The bullet points version of McIntyre to guide you as you go:

1. NASA and James Hansen have allegedly shown an astonishing amount of bad faith in protecting their bogus numbers. Last week’s posts noted how secretive Hansen has been in hoarding the algorithm he uses to make temperature adjustments, but most of McIntyre’s wrath this time is reserved for NASA, which pointedly declined to mention prominently that it had revised its own data lest it attract any unwelcome public attention.

2. While the revisions to U.S. data didn’t have an affect on global averages, they did obviously have a “significant” effect on U.S. averages while pointing up potential errors in data collection worldwide. Specifically, according to McIntyre, not only are certain U.S. temperature measurement stations that are thought to be unreliable being “adjusted” by algorithm, even stations not thought to be unreliable may be undergoing adjustment. Quote:


2 posted on 08/13/2007 12:28:07 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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Don’t look for this to get any MSM coverage.


3 posted on 08/13/2007 12:29:10 PM PDT by kjo
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If NASA was this far off with their numbers, the Apollo missions would have ended up on Saturn.


4 posted on 08/13/2007 12:30:20 PM PDT by Holicheese (Zap Razdowler Rules!)
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To: Holicheese

It’s not that so much as the corrected numbers are only slightly different from the fake numbers that Kyoto was based on and that is not enough to call Kyoto back into session to make the correction to their political agendum. The trend they saw in the fake numbers was only barely detectable in the first place.


5 posted on 08/13/2007 12:33:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Holicheese

We are not dealing with the same organization that achieved that goal by a long shot.


6 posted on 08/13/2007 12:37:23 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Holicheese
A Saturn rocket heading to its namesake; a certain celestial symmetry there?
7 posted on 08/13/2007 12:43:26 PM PDT by Weeedley (Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.)
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To: Holicheese
If NASA was this far off with their numbers, the Apollo missions would have ended up on Saturn.

IIRC, NASA had at least one really big boo-boo when one of the Mars exploration satellites went into space with the wrong set of flight parameters (someone used English units instead of metric or vice versa - Duh!).

8 posted on 08/13/2007 12:46:35 PM PDT by CedarDave (Vietnam vet supporting today's freedom fighting men and women and their families.)
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Is that true?
Thats almost funny if it wasn’t so expensive!


9 posted on 08/13/2007 12:52:11 PM PDT by Holicheese (Zap Razdowler Rules!)
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Steve McIntyre, who was the one who discovered the error (and also the one who figured out the fake hockey-stick and who’s blog Climate Audit is now down because the warmers hit the site with massive “denial of service” attacks right after the error came to light ...)

... has posted more about the whole issue at the link below. It turns out James Hansen has cooked the books for the US by a truly whopping 0.6C. Hmmm!

This little 0.15C error is nothing compared to the 0.5C Hansen had changed the data otherwise.

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/lights_out_guest_post_by_steve.html


10 posted on 08/13/2007 12:54:48 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: Holicheese
The Mars Climate Orbiter was lost at the Red Planet nearly seven weeks ago because the mission's navigation team was unfamiliar with the spacecraft. It lacked training, and failed to detect a mistake by outside engineers who delivered navigation information in English rather than metric units, according to a mission failure investigation report released Wednesday.

A litany of errors and problems led to the loss of the $125 million spacecraft on Sept. 23, a loss that has complicated an upcoming Mars landing mission, the report says. The report was released Wednesday during a press conference at NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C.

http://www.space.com/news/mco_report-b_991110.html

11 posted on 08/13/2007 1:07:14 PM PDT by CedarDave (Vietnam vet supporting today's freedom fighting men and women and their families.)
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To: Holicheese

NASA didn’t have political activists like this guy working for them back then too.

I think in the end we will learn this guy cooked the data.


12 posted on 08/13/2007 1:18:04 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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What needs pointing out is that adjustments are a theoretical construct and, as such, must be justified and validated by evidence.


13 posted on 08/13/2007 1:49:46 PM PDT by edsheppa
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I agree. Evidently, so does this researcher.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.ht


14 posted on 08/13/2007 1:53:51 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: bnelson44

It’s a religion, and GW is one of the dogmas. Don’t expect them to tell the truth on that.


15 posted on 08/13/2007 1:54:32 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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So the AGW guys have not publically released the “temperature adjustment algorithms” they use to calculate global mean temperatures - and algorithm important enough to either make the 1990s and 2000s the hottest decades in the past century, or to make the 1930s the hottest decade on the past century.

By definition, what they were doing was not science. The scientific method requires open, peer reviewed experimental design and results, thus allowing for validation or falsification by competing and/or complementary experimentation.


16 posted on 08/13/2007 1:56:51 PM PDT by sanchmo
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18 posted on 08/13/2007 2:39:38 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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It’s not how big is the problem; it is how big is the con? And, so far, the global warming con is the biggest and best of the new century! Running a close second in it’s wake is the ‘carbon offset’ scam. lol


19 posted on 08/13/2007 2:45:18 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: crazyshrink

Sorry, I don’t see the relevance. Just dumb I guess.


20 posted on 08/13/2007 3:57:45 PM PDT by edsheppa
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