What just happened? How long did it take?
What just happened? How long did it take? How long does "now" last ?
No posters as yet? Maybe they are still in church.
Creationists could do themselves a favor by getting off of the “young earth” kick.
How does a creationist explain the light hitting us from a distant star that left there 100’s of thousands of years ago?
Some ignorant folks might be (OK are) guilty of that, but it is a broad brush indeed for a presumably thoughtful article that I'll compel myself to finish.
What just happened? How long did it take?
What just happened? How long did it take? How long does "now" last ?
Evolution, cosmology, etc., which are supported by various scientific disciplines like stratigraphy, sedimentology and radiometric dating, are all part of the world of physics.
Since God created everything in the universe, He created physics as well.
Those who deny cosmology and evolution, and the scientific disciplines that support them, are denying the laws of physics ... and hence denying the existence of God.
Still not attracting the thumpers. Maybe the title can be amended to include [Darwin].
Understanding Genesis 1:1-2
The first two verses of the Bible are critical in this discussion. "The Genesis prologue presents those historical truths which are the necessary presuppositions for the valid pursuit of human knowledge" (The New Bible Commentary: Revised, p. 81). So let's take a fresh look at Genesis 1:1-2. Both the New International Version and the older Scofield Reference Bible suggest that the expression "the earth was without form and void" (verse 2) can be rendered "the earth became without form and void." In other words, something spoiled the original creation described in Genesis 1:1 and made it necessary for God to restore order out of chaos-which He did during six 24-hour periods followed by a Sabbath rest.
The Companion Bible points out that, in the King James Version (and most subsequent translations), "the verb 'to be' is not distinguished from the verb 'to become,' so that the lessons conveyed" in these first few verses "are lost." It goes on to explain that without form (Hebrew tohu) "is used of a subsequent event which, we know not how long after the Creation, befell the primitive creation of Gen. 1.1."
(For a detailed account of the rationale and reference sources that point to the possibility of the rendering "became" instead of "was," see "Earth's Age: Does Genesis 1 Indicate a Time Interval?," p. 29).
Suffice it to say here that God does not create by first making a mess (1 Corinthians 14:33). God told the cherub (angel) Lucifer, "You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity [lawlessness] was found in you" (Ezekiel 28:15). God is the God of perfection, order and beauty. It is either the angelic realm or man's world that makes the messes.
Comparing these different passages, we can infer that an original creation (Genesis 1:1) preceded the making of a gigantic waste by Satan (the former Lucifer) and a third of the angels (Revelation 12:4), who had become demons. Sometime later God accomplished a full restoration during six 24-hour days, followed by the day of rest that created the seventh-day Sabbath (Exodus 20:11).
The time gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 is an unspecified period that could encompass an untold span of years, accounting for the "deep time" that geologists and other scientists have discovered in the last two centuries. So the Bible itself solves the enigma. We do not need to artificially lengthen the seven 24-hour creation days to resolve the problem.
Guillermo Gonzalez & Jay W Richards, The Privileged Planet: How Our Place in the Cosmos is Designed for Discovery
A few thousand years ago God created everything in a week, but he made it look billions of years old.
Okay, now can we all get along?
Marking for later hilarity...
I believe that most Creationists are not of the “Young Earth” variety.
The point is that this astronomy and physics teacher is teaching lessons in OTHER scientific areas (geology, biology, etc) for the purpose of asking the students if his evolutionary theory “bothered them.” Then he apparently uses their answers to judge them as scholars, not on their grasp of astronomy and physics.
Then he used his prejudice against these students to write a “scholarly” paper.
I’m glad that I have no kids in that college.
Mrs. Cromwell
One thing going for the Creationists is they do believe in the Heavenly Father, what is NO different in them and the evol's is evolution. DNA demonstrates without a doubt that alllllllllll the children of the Heavenly Father could not in any shape fashion or form have come from two individual flesh beings. Genesis literally says God's creation was GOOD!!!! Now to literally claim that alllllllll flesh beings upon this earth today came from Adam and Eve is not a literal reading of Genesis...... I think it is referred to as a deception!!!!!
This argument between science and creationism has a precedent : ptolemy and copernicus, differing views of what the stars are saying. Both genesis and ptolemy held sway over human beliefs for long dark centuries. Along came copernicus, pointing out the epicycles/equants as “patches” to the crystal spheres. Obviously ptolemy was wrong and the SUN was the center of the planetary system.
Then came Galileo with his telescope, Brahe and Kepler; modern astronomy was born. Then the counter attack by this bishop ussher, using the bible as his only data set, and a 6,000 year old earth/universe.
So, on the one hand we have copernicans/astronomers continuing his theory and the vast STORY of the uniVERSE we’ve discovered, almost boggling the mind as to its riches; on the other hand you have these retro-creationists, still clinging to their ptolemaic theory, with the flat-earthers as a sub-set.
Yes, GOD created the universe, and suffered for it much as Jesus suffered on the cross. And yet, willful and deliberately ignorant people, no matter how faithful, probably would not be welcome in the universe at large. The first step on the road to TRUTH begins with a self realization of one’s own ignorance....
Can someone actually answer these questions?
What was the first thing?
How did it come into being?
What was the second thing?
How did it come into being?
What was the first living thing?
How did it come into being?
If the speed of light isn’t constant, the universe isn’t that old anyway.
"Special" people need our compassion too! These folks probably see the Flintstones as a documentary.
Here’s another point : creationists believe that the bible is the only book worth really reading. In JOB I think is the phrase : “And the morning stars sang together”. To the casual bible reader that doesn’t mean much, they glide right over it.
To astronomers though, that’s just what some of them are looking for, that first generation of massive stars that formed soon after the matter-radiation decoupling era at 300,000 years, forming at about 1M years or so. They were truly gargantuan stars that quickly burned out and went supernova all at once. The shock waves then swept up the H/He gas surrounding them and into the foamy bubble walls we see in galactic texture today.
It’s such a shame that they have blinders on, and can’t see how science and religion are coalescing to the same picture : the universe originated 13.7B years ago with gems of TRUTH scattered here and there throughout their own BIBLE.