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If you think they hate us now (What If GOP wins in 2008? Barf Alert!)
Salon ^ | August 10, 2007 | Joe Conason

Posted on 08/12/2007 4:31:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A Republican victory in 2008 could sink America's reputation in the world even lower. Even if George W. Bush is the most awful American president in modern times, as many historians believe, and even though he has brought the United States into unprecedented disrepute around the world, as opinion polls indicate, the bombastic tone of the candidates seeking to succeed him from his own party raises a disturbing possibility.

If the next president is a Republican, this truly bad situation could become still worse.

Concerning the Iraq war, of course, there is no discernible difference between the current president and his would-be Republican successors (with the exception of Ron Paul, the libertarian antiwar candidate from Bush's home state of Texas). The leading GOP contenders have all endorsed the current escalation of U.S. forces. They all share the president's determination to keep our troops there indefinitely. They all insistently echo Bush by linking the invasion and occupation of Iraq with the attacks of 9/11.

Yet beyond the horrors of Iraq and the excesses of the "war on terror," for which history will hold him culpable, Bush at least has acknowledged the importance of reaching out to the world's Muslims (although he tends to reach out too often with bombs and a torture technique known as waterboarding). In his rhetoric, the president usually seeks to distinguish the religion of Islam, which he has honored in the White House on many occasions, from the murderous perversion of that faith. And in his best moments after 9/11, he has defended the rights of Muslim Americans to live here without suffering persecution or prejudice.

Perhaps Bush's efforts deserve to be dismissed as little more than lip service, but semantics matter. The Republicans most likely to win their party's presidential nomination constantly use language that is meant to inflame anger against Muslims for political advantage.

During the last Republican debate, on Aug. 5, Rudolph Giuliani eagerly provided an example of this syndrome when he attacked the Democratic presidential candidates for failing to describe terrorism as Islamic. "During four Democratic debates," he complained, "not a single Democratic candidate said the word [sic] 'Islamic terrorism.' Now, that is taking political correctness to extremes." To him, the absence of that phrase in their speeches, no matter how tough their stance against terror, proved that Democrats are guilty of "weakness and appeasement." The other Republicans, again except for Paul, agreed -- although as John Dickerson of Slate has pointed out, that phrase is also assiduously avoided by the Bush White House.

There is an obvious reason not to say "Islamic terror," which stupidly suggests that terror is indeed Islamic, as the ideologists of al-Qaida would argue. There is also an obvious reason to say that same phrase -- if you believe that we are careening toward a war of civilizations and your aim is to inflame.

Throughout his career, Giuliani has pandered to the far right on Mideast policy. More than a decade ago he made a fool of himself on the world stage but became a hero to the religious right and Likud extremists when he told his aides to eject Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat from a Lincoln Center concert during the United Nations' 50th anniversary celebration in New York. He played to the cheap seats again after 9/11, when he ordered the return of a $10 million charitable donation to a victims fund returned to a Saudi prince who had urged more balance in America's Mideast policy.

Like many other Republican candidates, Giuliani has a limited understanding of Islam and Islamist movements, despite his claims to expertise. Not long ago, he told Charlie Rose that the West must be on guard against the "Islamic Brotherhood," which doesn't exist. (The PBS host noted that Giuliani probably meant the Muslim Brotherhood, a relatively moderate Islamic party that isn't much of a problem compared with al-Qaida or Hezbollah.)

Mitt Romney, his most formidable rival at the moment, uttered a similar gaffe during a debate last May, when he jammed all of Islam into a single hostile juggernaut. "There is a global jihadist movement," said the former Massachusetts governor. "And they've come together as Shi'a and Sunni and Hezbollah and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda with that intent." A more ignorant description of the Islamic political and theological dispensation is difficult to imagine, but Romney's clumsy conglomeration reflected fears that are common on the Republican right.

Stoking those fears may serve the immediate interest of a politician courting primary voters, but even the Bush administration understands that turning a billion Muslims against the West is a losing strategy. Every time an opportunistic candidate blames Islam for terrorism, that grim prospect grows and the possibility of a modern Muslim movement for peace, development and democracy recedes. The president understands this danger, however dimly, but too many in his party do not -- and at the moment they seem all too eager to encourage the indiscriminate and bigoted oratory that he has rejected.


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The left lives in an alternate reality. How can they be wrong so often and yet hold power anywhere? Is Mr. Conason unaware that Jihadists would love to slit his throat and that of his family members? Do they all think the war on terror is a "bumperstcker" as that infamous `metrosexual` John Edwards said several weeks ago?
1 posted on 08/12/2007 4:32:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For Pete’s Sake this is Salon. About as left wing as they come. I’d be shocked if they said otherwise.


2 posted on 08/12/2007 4:36:37 AM PDT by catfish1957 (In honor of my 5 Confederate ancestors whodefended their homeland during the War of Northn Agression)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Funny before you can go to the site you see an add of nothing but asses.


3 posted on 08/12/2007 4:40:09 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tagline...


4 posted on 08/12/2007 4:41:30 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This article hits just about all the most severely stupid of leftist ideas about islam and the war.


5 posted on 08/12/2007 4:47:21 AM PDT by Tolsti
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Mr. Conason, you stupid m%%%%%f%%%%%r. Hey, I like a little ad hominem attack once in a while. I know, I know, the Left NEVER does it to us.

There is an obvious reason not to say "Islamic terror," which stupidly suggests that terror is indeed Islamic, as the ideologists of al-Qaida would argue.

I prefer the phrase "Pentecostal terror", since it's clear that they have allied with the Christian Scientists to create all of these terror incidents and blame it on the Muzzies.

There is also an obvious reason to say that same phrase -- if you believe that we are careening toward a war of civilizations and your aim is to inflame.

"Careening toward? Careening toward?" How about fully engaged in with only two possible outcomes - victory or death?

6 posted on 08/12/2007 4:47:51 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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Funny before you can go to the site you see an add of nothing but asses.

Be nice, that is a photo of their investors...

Any chart I attempt to generate of their stocks appears as a "flatline" - lol!

7 posted on 08/12/2007 4:50:31 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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conason represents the American aliens. These people were born IN America but are not OF America. They are just as much a danger to us as the Islamists they are helping.


8 posted on 08/12/2007 4:50:46 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Liberals are "American aliens", they were born IN America but they are not OF America.)
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Maybe he thinks the islamics will rip him apart last? Only thing I that can possibly imagine this much willfull idiocy.

Of course, since he’s in nuke target #1 NYC, I’m sure he won’t mind when he gets incinerated. Maybe his last thoughts will be ‘those neocoonnnnnsss!!!’


9 posted on 08/12/2007 4:50:50 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Squeeze a Joe Conason and chickenpoop oozes out of every orifice. There are good reasons why the left could never win any significant elections in the USA except by putting forth liars and charlatans like the Clintons, Albore, et al. Even with those frauds they never do nearly as well as they thing they ought to, but if their true nature is ever made obvious to the American public they will never top 20-30% in any election outside a few of the most degraded cities.


10 posted on 08/12/2007 5:01:28 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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As usual, the Leftists busy themselves by first creating and then promoting false mythology, then they feign concern about the effects of their false mythology - pretending that the mythology is true on its face - and try their best to avoid any discussion of the fact that THEY created the problem from whole cloth. Leftists truly are filth.

False bravado, false mythology and false concerns for others are all a part of the play book of the sociopaths of the Left. Mr Conason is just another typical example of Leftist illogic and dissembling. Their “concerns” only extend to those circumstances and events that might help put them in power, and all other matters simply do not exist.

11 posted on 08/12/2007 5:11:26 AM PDT by Carbonado ("Islame-ic radical" is a redundant term, just like "Leftist journalist")
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Terrorist ARE Muslims!!!


12 posted on 08/12/2007 5:16:03 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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Hey Joe!

1.61 billion muslims hate you because you are a butt-licking fag!

13 posted on 08/12/2007 5:18:09 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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I really don't give a rat's behind if the rest of the world hates us.

They just better fear us and respect us.

14 posted on 08/12/2007 5:22:35 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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Even if George W. Bush is the most awful American president in modern times, as many historians believe, and even though he has brought the United States into unprecedented disrepute around the world....

Hmm. Isn't the new President of France, Sarkozy, vacationing in the U.S. and dinning with Pres. Bush?

15 posted on 08/12/2007 5:24:35 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: DainBramage

bumping for later comment - damn I’m so busy - anyone want to help?


16 posted on 08/12/2007 5:29:07 AM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the excesses of the "war on terror," for which history will hold him culpable
The worst excesses of the Bush Administration are the excesses of the "new tone" - which is nothing other than the old pre-Reagan Bob Michaels tone of never mounting an effective defense of Republican policies for fear of what The New York Times will say about your "extremism."

17 posted on 08/12/2007 5:30:11 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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For Pete’s Sake this is Salon

Worse, it's Joe Conason -- the prototype progressive hysteric.
18 posted on 08/12/2007 5:34:50 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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if you believe that we are careening toward a war of civilizations and your aim is to inflame.

Islam doesn't need to be inflamed. It's been at war with the rest of humanity since Moohamed came out of the cave.

Why bother with historical facts -- emotion and feelings are enough for Joe.
19 posted on 08/12/2007 5:38:59 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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“A Republican victory in 2008 could sink America’s reputation in the world even lower.”

And we should care what the world thinks of us why?

“Even if George W. Bush is the most awful American president in modern times, as many historians believe...”

Those historians must have never met LBJ, Carter, or Clinton.


20 posted on 08/12/2007 5:40:53 AM PDT by RWB Patriot
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