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Advocates Call Iraq Marine's Court Martial and Conviction Into Question
The Salem-News ^ | Aug-09-2007 | Tim King

Posted on 08/10/2007 8:53:44 PM PDT by brityank

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Like Haditha, the JAG, NCIS, and Officer Corps has screwed, blued, and tattooed these Marines to a fare-thee-well -- which is the only thing they will get; their names and reputations are forever sullied, as is the US Marine Corps.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis -- YOU, Sir, need to initiate an investigation of both JAG and NCIS for their activities in both of these cases.

1 posted on 08/10/2007 8:53:51 PM PDT by brityank
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; xzins; freema; Blue Ribbon Mom; lilycicero; smoothsailing; ...

Went looking at the MSM, and found this. Thought it made some good points, and added more info to the background.


2 posted on 08/10/2007 8:55:13 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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It is rather interesting to note that these weird and twisted prosecutions tend to focus on the USMC. I realize there are other bizarro type show trials held on other branch soldiers, but the greater bulk of them fall on Marines.


3 posted on 08/10/2007 9:09:30 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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Good work, yank. This stinks to high heaven.
4 posted on 08/10/2007 9:10:35 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Liberal ideas can be hilarious in peacetime, in wartime they're life-threatening)
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To: Grimmy

America is both fascinated by, and terrified of Marines.


5 posted on 08/10/2007 9:11:10 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("What quails?" asked Jack)
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"Bonesteel says NCIS was in control of intelligence operations in Al Anbar during 2004, including the publishing of propaganda."

Can anyone comment on why civilian, criminal investigation unit would be in charge of intelligence?

This deserves more study.

6 posted on 08/10/2007 9:21:08 PM PDT by Eagles6
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That doesn’t sound plausible. A civilian agency was in control of intelligence operations in the most dangerous province in Iraq? Doubt it.


7 posted on 08/10/2007 9:32:03 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: LongElegantLegs

The chicom command put the bulk of its effort into the attempt to destroy the “yellow legs” at beginning of their offensive. It was their belief that for so long as the Marines existed as a combat capable unit in Korea, the US could not be defeated.

Sometime during the mid to late ‘70s, it became official soviet military policy to not attempt to take Marines as POW if in a war. Any Marines captured were to be executed at point of capture.

I wonder who’s play book these prosecutions are coming from?


8 posted on 08/10/2007 9:32:51 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: brityank

Thanks for the post. Though I must say I don’t get this whole “Deloitte connection” thing. Sounds a little like the moonbats talking about Diebolt stealing elections for Republicans.


9 posted on 08/10/2007 9:35:25 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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The CIA itself is a quasi-civilian agency and much of their “work” is now distributed through the same contract system that leeched so much from our military capability by legislative order.

The Peace Dividend. Sacrifices had to be made to support an ever growing welfare system, doncha know. Gotta prioritize.


10 posted on 08/10/2007 9:35:40 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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I still don’t get what is it that NCIS is supposed to have done in Anbar province, and how that connects to any of this.


11 posted on 08/10/2007 9:38:45 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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Btw, I have no clue if anything in that article regarding the contract company is true fact or not. Most of my knee-jerkiness in my comments in this thread is simple disgust at how my fellow Marines are being treated by our gov. and the legal operatives within our service.


12 posted on 08/10/2007 9:40:04 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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It's Murtha doing this....you don't see any other politician going after any other branches of the military only murtha ex-marine colonel...we're praying this will blow up in his face!!!! [and it appears it is blowing up in his face]


13 posted on 08/10/2007 9:40:25 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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Roger that!


14 posted on 08/10/2007 9:40:39 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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That doesn’t sound plausible. A civilian agency was in control of intelligence operations in the most dangerous province in Iraq? Doubt it.

Unfortunately, there does seem to have been a big trend toward privatization of our intelligence and national security operations..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/06/AR2007070601993.html

Up to 50%?? That's a scary thought...

15 posted on 08/10/2007 9:41:04 PM PDT by blade_tenner
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That has me puzzled, too. I'm doing some digging to see what is out there.

I did find a link that seems to cover all of the military cases: Pittsburgh University's Jurist. It's loaded with left-wing moonbattery, but it's a start.

16 posted on 08/10/2007 9:41:44 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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I guess the CIA would be considered “civilian” but ncis? BTW I’ve got to read Rowan Scarborough’s new book regarding traitors within.


17 posted on 08/10/2007 9:45:48 PM PDT by Eagles6
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Get this:

Private companies now perform key intelligence-agency functions, to the tune, I'm told, of more than $42 billion a year. Intelligence professionals tell me that more than 50 percent of the National Clandestine Service (NCS) -- the heart, brains and soul of the CIA -- has been outsourced to private firms such as Abraxas, Booz Allen Hamilton, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

These firms recruit spies, create non-official cover identities and control the movements of CIA case officers. They also provide case officers and watch officers at crisis centers and regional desk officers who control clandestine operations worldwide. As the Los Angeles Times first reported last October, more than half the workforce in two key CIA stations in the fight against terrorism -- Baghdad and Islamabad, Pakistan -- is made up of industrial contractors, or "green badgers," in CIA parlance.

So that leads credence to the Deloitte connection and NCIS.

18 posted on 08/10/2007 9:48:01 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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A currious person doesn’t have to dig too deep to find a number of incredible successes in hostile infiltration by our enemy in this war.

CAIR, legalized protection for wahabist jihadi preaching and recruitment in our prison systems (both state and federal), islamists prominently showcased as lecturers in universities, moles, both foreign infiltrators and US born language specialists uncovered in our intel and military translation services, etc etc.

If the historical perspective approach is taken, and the known link between the old soviet kgb and the islamist terror organizations is acknowledged, it would be safer to assume we’ve been penetrated and subverted in any number of applicable areas, rather than assuming that we’re secure.


19 posted on 08/10/2007 9:48:26 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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NCIS is civilian, look at
20 posted on 08/10/2007 9:51:15 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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