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The Final Face-Off ... ( looks like it's going to be Hillary vs. Rudy)
American Spectator ^ | 8/9/2007 | R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.

Posted on 08/09/2007 4:37:27 AM PDT by IrishMike

The infallible Washington Times reports that up for sale is one of the most famous scenes of infantilism in the 20th century, "Woodstock." Actually, what is on the block is the late Max Yasgur's New York farm, 38 acres of which were used for the 1969 Woodstock music festival that hagiographers for the "1960s Generation" have ever since boomed as a pivotal event in American history. Such rock singers as Jimi Hendrix and Richie Havens got together before a stupefied crowd of some 500,000 eternal children to sing of peace, and freedom, and mind-numbing substances, even the most feeble of which have now been shown to be extremely deleterious to intellect and spirit. Better it would be to inhale Marlboros than to fool with the proscribed substances that eventually killed or demented many of the singers and attendees in that famous field.

As for "peace and freedom," wars have continued and the specific war that the troubadours of Woodstock had in mind ended only when our Democratic-controlled Congress broke an American pledge to send support to embattled South Vietnamese forces. The North Vietnamese communists beat them. .... Drunk and disorderly rockers never pacified any region I know of, and many have lived irritable and belligerent lives, leaving children and other loved ones in a hell of a mess. ........... As I have been noting of late, the aging 1960s generation -- divided as it has always been by its left-wing and right-wing -- is now facing its political swan song. The Republicans and the Democrats will probably nominate members of this generation to battle in 2008 one more time. Now the face-off is on again, probably with Hillary opposing Rudy.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


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To: NucSubs

“He is an Authoritarian Statist with liberal social views”

That’s another thing I don’t like about Rudy, I too get the sense his power comes from his authoritarian personality type, for a Christian, this doesn’t thrill me. He won’t rule from the perspective of a godly man, rather he will rule from the authortarian side of his personality. Personally, that doesn’t thrill me.


101 posted on 08/14/2007 8:07:59 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma
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To: rodeo-mamma

The one thing I don’t get in all this election stuff is why didn’t the Bush administration make any push at all to help with the next candidate? He hasn’t come out for ANYONE at this point and it doesn’t seem like he is the slightest bit interested...I am very supportive of President Bush, but I admit that he really could have helped here if he had but simply formulated a plan of action. I love Dick Cheney, but for all the changes that occurred in the 2nd Bush administration, the one we really needed heading into 2008 was a VP that was preparing to run on the next ticket.


102 posted on 08/14/2007 8:08:24 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: IrishMike

I wish Fred Thompson would announce his intentions soon. I would like to back him but getting tired of waiting. If he doesn’t announce by Labor Day I will choose another Republican candidate.


103 posted on 08/14/2007 8:09:08 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: Chi-townChief
Hopefully, we’ll make a better choice than Rudy although he still stands head and shoulders above Lady MacBeth.

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I actually have a picture of Rudy as Lady MacBeth.

104 posted on 08/14/2007 8:14:33 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: princess leah

“He hasn’t come out for ANYONE at this point and it doesn’t seem like he is the slightest bit interested.”

Your comments about Bush are interesting, I don’t know why this is true, maybe it’s because he feels his presidency is under attack and he is in the middle of a war that we need to win, so maybe it isn’t a priority to him right now. Plus, it’s still early. Maybe he’s not sure yet who he would like to see win. Right now, I would like to see Fred and Mitt together, but I don’t know if that will be possible. I did listen today to Savage on the radio and he said it was possible that someone would come out from nowhere and we don’t even know who that person is yet. Something needs to happen. Even though I like the idea of Fred and Mitt, the truth is, I really don’t know a lot yet about either. I still think it’s early too.


105 posted on 08/14/2007 8:15:01 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma
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To: normy
"Rudy will prosecute the war and cut taxes, "

Whaddaya got there, a crystal ball? W promised he wouldn't use US forces to nation build. His daddy promised he wouldn't raise taxes. Here's a list of 50 unfulfilled campaign promises made by Clinton

So, tell me again, what julieannie will do?

106 posted on 08/14/2007 8:15:43 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Forfeiture of liberty for dubious security undermines our credibility as a free nation.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
If people don’t know Giuliani’s positions on abortion and gay marriage, it is doubtful they hold very strong opinions on these issues. Revelation of his positions will probably illicit little more than a shrug from these people.
107 posted on 08/14/2007 8:23:30 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: princess leah

“we really needed heading into 2008 was a VP that was preparing to run on the next ticket.”

That was bad planning from the get-go, we all knew that Hillary was going to want to run in 2008 yet Bush delibertly picked a VP who from the start made it clear he had no interest in being President. Heck, we were just lucky that Chenney made it to the finish line without having a heart attack, let alone him running for President. That was probably an irresponsible choice on the part of the GOP, they knew what we would eventually have to face, and they made no prepartion for it at all. It’s too bad.


108 posted on 08/14/2007 8:30:28 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Rudy is - like GWB, sad to say - essentially a JFK Democrat.

True except on social issues.

I agree with election analysis. Guiliani would be hard to beat in the general election unless Bloomberg enters the race. Bloomberg might attract some moderates who are critical for Guiliani's victory.

There are undoubtedly people on this forum who would rather lose with a rock-ribbed conservative than win with a moderate.

109 posted on 08/14/2007 8:32:11 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Rudy haters? ROFLOL!! Rudy is a Democrap. Shares identical views with Hillary Clinton on most issues.


110 posted on 08/14/2007 8:34:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: IrishMike

No way. The former mayor of NYC against the senator from NY. Rudy won’t be the nominee. That will become more and more evident as the campaign heats up. Rudy has so much personal baggage that he should have a sky cap detail wherever he goes.


111 posted on 08/14/2007 8:43:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: CommerceComet
If people don’t know Giuliani’s positions on abortion and gay marriage, it is doubtful they hold very strong opinions on these issues.

No, a lot of people don't care about politics until a few months before an election. That doesn't mean they don't care about the issues, just that they aren't hardcore political junkies.

In fact, a recent Harris poll showed that 40% of Republicans wouldn't vote for Ghouliani when they were told his position on abortion.

112 posted on 08/14/2007 9:24:14 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Grut

Why not just pull the lever for Hillary?


113 posted on 08/14/2007 9:27:48 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Willow25

What universe do you exist in?


114 posted on 08/14/2007 9:30:48 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: CommerceComet
Guiliani would be hard to beat in the general election unless Bloomberg enters the race.

Giuliani has the least chance of any Republican of winning the general election. All one has to do is look how far behind he is in fundraising compared to the Democrats to figure that out.

A candidate that results in millions of his own party staying home or not being enthused about his candidacy has very little chance of winning a general election.

A June 5th Harris poll:

One of the lasting criticisms of the Mayor has been whether his liberal past would hurt him with Conservatives. This may very well be the case, as just half of Conservatives would vote for him while one-quarter (26%) would not and 21 percent are not sure.

115 posted on 08/14/2007 9:31:57 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: TitansAFC

Well you will surrender the whole damn country to Islamic terrorists if you aid Hillary to defeat Rudy. That’s just plain nuts.


116 posted on 08/14/2007 9:36:41 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: jch10

8 years and think of the damage she will cause.


117 posted on 08/14/2007 9:41:21 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Meerkat
Do you honestly think that *hillary* has a better chace in TX than Rudy? Or Obama?! C’mon.

Read my post. I'm talking about the GOP nomination process.

I'm saying that Rudy will have a tough time taking a majority of Texas delegates in the primaries.

118 posted on 08/14/2007 11:33:33 PM PDT by Chunga (Conservatives Don't Let Democrats Win Elections. They Vote Republican.)
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To: takenoprisoner
I should have said ‘i believe” of course no matter what candidate you support “I believe” should precede any statement about what that candidate would do. I didn’t realize people would be so picky but I will be clearer next time.
119 posted on 08/15/2007 4:21:37 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
A candidate that results in millions of his own party staying home or not being enthused about his candidacy has very little chance of winning a general election.

It all depends on how many independents Giuliani can pick up. The 2008 general election will most likely be determined by moderate independents. Giuliani is the strongest Republican candidate among that group. If Giuliani couldn't offset the likely conservative defections with these moderates, you would be correct that he would have little chance.

120 posted on 08/15/2007 11:12:46 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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