Posted on 08/05/2007 3:16:16 PM PDT by WalterSkinner
Duncan Hunter at Iowa Presidential Debate at Drake University--8-5-07
I'm happy that my family member survived her pregnancy as well, but the choice was hers, not yours, not the government's. I think that getting a second opinion when the doctor says that the pregnancy is a super high risk is a great idea just as one should get a second opinion for any diagnosis. However, sometimes the second opinion will be the same as the first, and that opinion will be that carrying the baby is likely to result in the death of the mother. When that's the diagnosis, the decision belongs to the woman and her family, not to you, and not to the government. This notion that we will threaten women with jail if they don't agree to die while carrying a problem pregnancy is wrong.
Most abortions in this country have nothing to do with either rape or the life of the mother. We should focus on stopping those abortions and leave other women in these rare but difficult situations alone.
Bill
He wasn’t included in most of the questions. What else can you expect from a mod that used to work for the Clintons? Questions carefully picked, commentary cut off when it goes in the “wrong” direction...
Did I miss it, or are they really refusing to discuss illegal immigration and terrorism? Terrorism was mentioned, correctly so, but only by the candidates?
Was I asleep? I thought I watched the whole thing?
I was happy that at least he did get the last word.
“He wasn’t included in most of the questions. What else can you expect from a mod that used to work for the Clintons? Questions carefully picked, commentary cut off when it goes in the “wrong” direction...
Did I miss it, or are they really refusing to discuss illegal immigration and terrorism? Terrorism was mentioned, correctly so, but only by the candidates?
Was I asleep? I thought I watched the whole thing?”
Questions carefully picked is correct. Designed to make the Republican candidates look bad in order to make the Dems look good.
Maybe the Republicans should have more debates on FoxNews with various moderators. This is getting nuts.
I don’t remember anything about immigration or WOT by Steph., either.
“Uh, because Life matters to the GOP base. Seems logical enough to me. It’s amazing that some people are too smart to get it.”
And pro-life is in the Republican platform.
I thought this was interesting:
“As for Romney, there is no single reason to explain why he hasn’t gained more traction. However, his sole remaining claim to being a top-tier candidate rests primarily on his leads in Iowa and New Hampshire polling. But, even those leads may be less than meets the eye. As governor of Massachusetts, he has a tremendous home court advantage in New Hampshire and is the only candidate spending money on TV advertising in that state. It will be interesting to see if his lead holds once the other candidates go up on the air as well.”
excerpted from http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/2008_republican_presidential_primary
The most extreme part of the pro-life movement no longer supports exceptions, but many Republicans still agree with both the mother's life and the rape exception. Others agree with the mother's life exception but not the rape exception. I've met a few who agree with the rape exception but not the mother's life exception. Those who agree with exceptions aren't in favor of abortions in these cases, but they see these cases as situations where the criminal justice system should not be involved.
Another part of the issue is what will happen if life is defined at conception and politicians want to interpret that definition to mean that birth control pills that have any ingredient that would discourage implantation are suddenly illegal. Every Republican voter who wants to stop most of the "scrape and suck" early abortions does not want to outlaw birth control pills.
The abortion issue isn't a "short story" issue. That kind of knee-jerk approach will win a candidate cheers from a small group of zealous pro-lifers, but most people see the issue as being more involved. Candidates are trying to skate around this situation so that they can win the votes of the zealots without losing the votes of people who don't want extreme measures taken.
If we reach the debates next year and someone asks, "Are you willing to throw a woman or her doctor in jail for aborting a baby when the continued pregnancy would kill the woman?" and our candidate says "Yes," our candidate will lose the election. By demanding that a Republican candidate answer this question in that way, the hard-core pro-lifers are dooming our candidates to defeat. The right answer would be, "No, I am not willing to throw a woman or her doctor in jail in that situation. We abort millions of perfectly healthy babies whose hearts are already beating, whose brain waves are already active, and who are developing in perfectly normal pregnancies every year simply because the mother doesn't want to face the natural consequence of her choices. Those are the situations that the law should address." If the candidates would focus on these issues, we'd have a chance of passing laws that would close the clinics that turn out thousands of dead babies like a commodity product on the street corners of our big cities.
Bill
Besides everything else, Duncan Hunter is the best on trade, and eloquently talked about trade in the debate.
Here’s something else I found:
“He (Hunter) said China rebates its own taxes on all of its exported goods, and then imposes taxes on American imports, thus providing about a $34 advantage for every $100 of actual value of its own products. The United States, though, does not impose import duties of that sort, nor does it rebate the taxes on our own exports.
“Republicans are the party of markets, but we’re not the party of dumb markets,” he said. “Trade agreements are business deals, and it is more important than ever that we have smart business deals. What I am proposing is not protectionism, it’s just reciprocity. And it is important because they are using the trade to develop 75-100 short-range and medium-range ballistic missiles each year and to construct a large number of submarines....That’s ominous.”’
excerpt from: http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11188
These little ones should not be killed. They are not exceptions, they are preborn human babies:
[img]http://www.cwcobgyn.com/images/4dpics_3.jpg[/img]
ULTRASOUND OF PREBORN BABY PIX
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18-week Old Fetus
We, as human beings, have no right to take life away from another human being.
Better links for you to click:
http://www.cwcobgyn.com/images/4dpics_3.jpg
ULTRASOUND OF PREBORN BABY PIX
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b253/mware/18week125-1.jpg
18-week Old Fetus
After clicking on the links, please let us know if these little ones are human persons, or “exceptions.”
No fudging, please.
He has to realize by now that even five minutes is more than the MSM wants to give him, and that he needs to use those five minutes effectively. Just mouthing "me, too" comments about abortion is not going to give him headlines out of this debate. He should have said something outrageous, like calling for a boycott of Chinese goods.
His continued lackluster performance condemns his candidacy to its perpetual one percent in the polls. I know this offends the Hunter Heads, but your guy did nothing to break out of his coffin.
Is it okay, then, for women to kill their disabled children after birth?
If the government’s purpose is not defending innocent human life, then what is its purpose?
It is true that Duncan Hunter is
prolife and
he has military experience and
he understands the threats from China and militant Islam and
he understands that we need to rebuild our industrial base and
that rebuilding our industrial base is critical for our national defense.
Anyone but Rootie.
Thank you for posting that. I just watched it for the second time, and I am amazed at his clarity, particularly on the Iraq issue. There are some on this forum who say he has no executive experience and should drop out. He may not have executive experience, but he has a unique experience that particularly suits him to lead us in this struggle of our times. His membership on the Armed Services Committee, his military experience, and his dedication to our military is essential at this time. Do any of the other candidates have the knowledge and experience to face this particular challenge? I may be wrong, but I don’t think so.
Dear God, I hope people wake up and take a serious look at this man. We need him now more than ever. The more I see him next to the other candidates, the more he impresses me.
I completely agree with your post.
Every word of it.
Sorry to report that all the buzz is about the silver tongued “every man” from Hope Arkansas (yes, just like Billy Boy), Huckabee
What the focus group said about Huckabee is that he seems real, authentic, tells you exactly what’s on his mind and does so in an “every man” sort of way, not like an elite or not like SOMEONE FROM WASHINGTON DC who uses the question to put in their points that they want you to know about them rather than answering the exact question that was asked.
These people cannot see past their own noses when it comes to understanding what we need as our President especially in times like these. As well as DH did, I’m afraid these folks see him as just some Congressman who has been there a long time, and they don’t seem to care what he brings to the table.
It made me sick to my stomach. Reminded me of people’s response to Bill Clinton. No I’m not saying Huckabee is just like Clinton, but he has that charm and that draw and pull on people that Clinton had.
The polls reflect that Huckabee is moving up and DH can’t get anywhere, no matter how sterling his character, his record and his qualifications.
Don't get rope-a-doped by a second man from Hope!
I was listening to the debates from another room, Hunter came across very well...I agree with Tancredo that there were candidates there than what I was hearing!
Mitt seemed to do pretty good too.
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