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1 posted on 08/05/2007 12:25:18 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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Additionally, the privates colleges and Ivy league type places don’t have a monopoly on the information they impart. It’s available for free at most any decent public library. Just gotta have that sheepskin to impress prospective employers.


2 posted on 08/05/2007 12:29:49 PM PDT by squidly
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I have always wondered where those who majored in such esoteric areas as — Gender Studies, Gay and Lesbian Studies, Africa-American Studies evantually end up after graduation.

Is there a study that tracks the career of such graduates ?


3 posted on 08/05/2007 12:30:12 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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“Market forces, in the form of declining enrollments in the face of increasingly unaffordable tuition costs, will compel colleges to undergo major changes, just as other businesses have been forced to change.”

No they won’t because colleges are not subject to market forces. They are protected by government subsidies and student loans.


5 posted on 08/05/2007 12:32:37 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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I think it is important to differentiate between a college and a university. The purpose of a university education is to mold a person for a rich, full life in society, not necessarily to prepare him or her for a career. At least, that was the original intent. "Colleges" were more specific: one might specialize in medical training, another in theological subjects, still another in sciences or arts. Even then, they weren't so much career-planning establishments as they were enclaves in which accumulated knowledge was shared, much like the more informal salon of France.

It would be a sad day to see today's universities succumb to market pressures and eschew the well-rounded universal education that is their legacy in favor of a vocational approach. But since nobody seems willing to pay for well-educated generalists, that move seems inevitable.

7 posted on 08/05/2007 12:37:50 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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We have two young daughters 8/11 and are looking to the future.
The cost of a four year college is not (in our opinion) worth the huge amounts they are asking. We have come to the conclusion that two years at a CC is the first step and then chose the college with the curriculum needed for the chosen degree. You can save $60 or $70 by doing this. Amen.
11 posted on 08/05/2007 12:42:12 PM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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A degree in anything can make you a lot of money...it just depends on the person who got the degree. I know of a lot of English majors that are doing quite well right now.


13 posted on 08/05/2007 12:47:27 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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one thing I’ve noticed is that a lot of conservatives don’t like the idea of government schools, but they don’t have as much of a problem with government colleges. Get the government out of ALL education!


18 posted on 08/05/2007 12:52:26 PM PDT by balch3
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“What do you call an English major after he graduates?”

“Waiter.”


20 posted on 08/05/2007 12:59:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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I think the future is in having a trade. No matter how much other stuff is “outsourced” or manufactured elsewhere, there is still a need for those who can install, service or repsir things, especially in the home. The problem for those of us in that kind of business today is the kind of nonsense homeowners are told by the $9 an hour “sales associates” at places like Home Depot and Lowe’s. Provide quality, service and conscientious work and don’t let people beat you down on price.


21 posted on 08/05/2007 1:02:59 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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I have a Master’s and my wife is a Doctor, but its my opinion that too many jobs require and too many people get four year degrees.

A good IQ test (made illegal by the Supreme Court) would suffice for 90% of “college required” jobs.

By and large a BA/BS is simply a way to narrow the field for an employer and the knowledge gained in getting the degree is not important. Mathmatical and scientific fields obviously stand out as the exception, but I think most people with a BS are not working in the field of their degree.


22 posted on 08/05/2007 1:04:45 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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A Modest Proposal to Abolish Universities
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23 posted on 08/05/2007 1:05:04 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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One way to repackage the liberal arts curriculum would be to move away from majors such as history, sociology, political science, and philosophy to something like "Asian studies." There will be abundant employment opportunities in business, government, nongovernmental organizations, missionary work, etc., for students educated in an Asian language and a comprehensive understanding of the history, belief systems, social structure and traditions, etc., of Asian countries. It makes more sense today to offer courses in Chinese language than in French.

Something will happen like the move away from classical education by Harvard a hundred years ago.

24 posted on 08/05/2007 1:05:19 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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My gray-haired mother considered going back to school to acquire a degree in English Literature. I told her she would just be disappointed. She knows the classics better than the English faculty at her local university. Of course, she knows nothing about Marxist and feminist hermeneutics, which is probably just as well.


26 posted on 08/05/2007 1:06:01 PM PDT by Logophile
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80 % of the courses in liberal arts are totally devoid of value.

The most worthless ones are typically requirements like diversity classes or women’s studies.

You would be better served spending the the money for a liberal arts degree on a MacDonald's franchise..

28 posted on 08/05/2007 1:10:14 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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But, but, but, but, but, but, but.... there should be more government grants and bigger loan limits for kids to get their worthless English, Art History, Black Studies, French, Communication Studies, Women’s Studies, and Political Science degrees!!!!!! waaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! (/sarc)


29 posted on 08/05/2007 1:10:46 PM PDT by gunservative
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Much of the anger directed at big oil and big drug companies originates at our colleges and universities and yet the average family spends far less on energy and health care than on education. Maybe big academia is ripping off parents of students far more than the scapegoats created by the employees of big academia.


31 posted on 08/05/2007 1:15:27 PM PDT by monocle
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I got my BA at one of these colleges, many years ago. Cost then was $5K a year.

Nearly everyone who went was highly successful. Pre-med was big, econ was big, and poly sci was big, and a lot of the majors went on to become doctors, lawyers, and MBAs. Those who majored in the purer subjects, like English, Classics, and History also did fairly well. Of course, a law school or an MBA program will take plenty of guys from these majors if they have high LSATs/GREs.


33 posted on 08/05/2007 1:21:16 PM PDT by proxy_user
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In my life's experience, and watching my children as well, I can say that a BA may be worthless, unless it is backed up by talent, creativity and hard work. The sciences require only the "creativity and hard work" part.
34 posted on 08/05/2007 1:32:09 PM PDT by Ace's Dad ("but every now and then, the Dragon comes to call")
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Put the money in the bank and tell the kid to go to work.When he retires he will be able to live quite well and the money wont be going to some screwball moonbat professor.My private little war.


35 posted on 08/05/2007 1:35:14 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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Is a bachelor's degree in English (or history or philosophy or political science or any other subject in the liberal arts) worth over $30,000 a year?

In my line of work, at least until very, very recently, a bachelor's degree was worth very litter compared to actual real-world work experience. Now, my younger co-workers tend to have engineering degrees. Which is a waste, since the job, though technical in nature, does not fit the training that engineers gain in school. It's amazing how so many "smart" graduates know so little due to lack of experience in the real world.

38 posted on 08/05/2007 1:49:55 PM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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