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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #4 - Des Moines, IA 08/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread
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Posted on 08/05/2007 5:29:36 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #4 – Des Moines, Iowa 08/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

ABC News will be conducting a debate to be aired on This Week. The nine announced GOP presidential candidates meet in a campaign debate at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa. George Stephanopoulos is the moderator; Des Moines Register political writer David Yepsen poses additional questions. Debate starts at 8 am CT (9 am ET/ 6 am PT) * check local stations for broadcast time in your area *

Candidates participating



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
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To: George W. Bush

As our ol’ buddy H. Ross would say, “That was High-larus!”


341 posted on 08/05/2007 10:54:54 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Right-Wing Conspirator and Friend of Fred)
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To: logician2u
"Your comment reveals much more about you than either Ron Paul or his supporters. Control freak, maybe?"

No... I just don't need my drool cup emptied.

342 posted on 08/05/2007 10:55:24 AM PDT by nctexan
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To: George W. Bush

Just enough truth in that to make it very funny.


343 posted on 08/05/2007 10:56:49 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: George W. Bush
Rudi is a scripted and increasingly disciplined candidate, something he had to learn to do as NYC mayor.

I agree. I saw him interviewed by Charlie Rose last week, and he comes across as very polished, and just as you say, disciplined. He is quick to make a point that enhances his overall image, no matter the subject, and that is a skill that cannot be underestimated.

344 posted on 08/05/2007 10:58:35 AM PDT by LordBridey
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

I’m glad Congressman Hunter got to make a strong closing statement, though.

Me too. Must have been a freak accident.


345 posted on 08/05/2007 10:59:42 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Anything posted from MNJohnnie shouldn't be taken seriously.

It's the equivalent of Charlie Brown's teacher speaking.

346 posted on 08/05/2007 11:00:18 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: LordBridey


"Noone else stood out."

I wasn't even aware Peter was in the race!
347 posted on 08/05/2007 11:01:19 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: deport
This year McCain, Rudy and Thompson aren’t in it thus the money side favors Romney only. So don’t count him out as of yet.

Romney pulled back on his money, apparently including tickets and buses. RP has all those college kids right in Ames.

It's still Romney's to lose though. After all his effort there and his supposed lock on Iowa, his campaign is in serious trouble if anyone else comes close to him. It could be fatal if he loses.

I think he'll win it handily though. The buzz will be about who takes second and third, especially if they are second-tier candidates.

That pretty much is the key to the Ames Iowa straw poll. Who can afford the tickets for their supporters to vote with and then get them to the event, some via hired buses, etc will have a huge advantage in the poll.

We just have to get them up from their hangovers from the Ronstock concert the night before and wheel them through the doors! We have quite a number of activists going in-state.

“Ronstock will be a part of the celebration of Congressman Ron Paul’s message of freedom before the Iowa Straw Poll. Ronstock will be held at the Bali Satay House on August 10th, 2007 (the day before the big day) from 6:00-10:00PM! The Bali Satay House is the largest live music club in the college town. It is located in the campustown area of Ames, Iowa. Everyone is welcome (all ages). No cover. More details to be released soon!”
Gee, free rock-n-roll party for RP near campus. I'm sure those college kids aren't going to want to attend some nasty party at their favorite club. LOL.
348 posted on 08/05/2007 11:03:56 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: kabar
Paul is no contender. He shouldn’t even be on the stage. He is the darling of the Libertarians and the Dems, who see him as the skunk at the garden party or the crazy uncle up in the attic.

But it's OK if a pro-abortionist liberal Mayor runs as a Republican?

349 posted on 08/05/2007 11:04:14 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: The Pack Knight
The last Washington Post-ABC poll of likely caucus voters had Tommy at 4%. The full results published by the Post today are..

Yeah, but I think Tommy bought a home in Iowa. Heck, he could probably run for governor there he's spent so much time there. As my previous post indicates, they owe him for all those tenderloins he had to eat.
350 posted on 08/05/2007 11:06:12 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: nctexan

Perhaps you do, since it’s spelled “loon,” not “lune.”


351 posted on 08/05/2007 11:07:51 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: maica
Can you explain what kind of tickets you are referencing? I am not up to speed on Iowa details. Thanks.

It's an all-day event. You have to feed and water your herd and keep them from rioting. So you have to buy tickets.

Most straw polls, like this one in Ames, are fundraising events for the county or state party. It's an exercise in who will pay to support your candidate or whether your candidate can raise the money to buy the tickets and pay for buses (like Romney). It is also a test of sheer ground organization and supporter intensity.
352 posted on 08/05/2007 11:09:20 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush
The spoof may not be too far off......

Iowa Straw Poll Schedule and other info

 
9:00 a.m.    FairTax Rally – Stephens Auditorium 
             Dare to be  Fair Rally with Neal Boortz 
 
10:00 a.m.   Voting begins at Scheman, Stephens, and Hilton 
 
11:00 a.m.   NRA Rally - Stephens Auditorium    
 
11:00 a.m.   American Solutions Workshops 
 
11:00 a.m.   Doors Open to Hilton Coliseum 
 
12:00 p.m.   Pre-Program Begins 
             Welcome, Pledge, Colors, National Anthem 
 
12:30 p.m.   Program Begins 
 
12:40 p.m.   Candidates on Stage  for Group Photo 
 
12:45 p.m.   Candidate  Speeches 
 
3:30 p.m.    Program Ends 
             MC Takes Stage, Announces Timetable for Results    
             MC Introduces Post Program 
 
3:30 p.m.    American Solutions Workshops 
 
4:00 p.m.    One Vote ‘08 Post-Program (details to follow) 
 
6:00 p.m.    Voting Ends 
 
7:00 p.m.    Results Announced 

Althought McCain, Giuliani, Thompson are missing they are on the ballot.....

Straw Poll Ballot 
Sam Brownback 
John Cox 
Rudy Giuliani 
Mike Huckabee 
Duncan Hunter 
John McCain 
Ron Paul 
Mitt Romney 
Tom Tancredo 
Fred Thompson 
Tommy Thompson 


CLick

353 posted on 08/05/2007 11:13:50 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But it's OK if a pro-abortionist liberal Mayor runs as a Republican?

It is fine for anyone to run in the primaries. That is what they are for. If the majority (or plurality) of Republicans decide they do not want Rudy or Mitt, or who ever then they wont be our candidate. If, instead they do decide that's who it is going to be, then they by default are the "face" of the Republican party. Things change, parties change, and each and every one of us will have the chance to say who it is that we want to lead it. Remember, this is the primaries.

354 posted on 08/05/2007 11:16:25 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Reagan Man

A characteristic post short on substance and clarity.


355 posted on 08/05/2007 11:21:12 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Xenalyte
""Perhaps you do, since it’s spelled “loon,” not “lune.”

"Lune" as in "lunatic"... that needs to be institutionalized. Yup, he comes across as crazy.

"Loon" as in "the bird" being goofy might apply as well.

I'll let you pick your own description.

356 posted on 08/05/2007 11:22:04 AM PDT by nctexan
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To: codercpc
>>>>>Thanks for defining me.

Don't blame me, you've defined yourself. You whine about FredT for following his schedule and not paying attention to what the liberal media wants. Yet you supply nuanced kudos to Rooty Toot. LOL, whatever.

>>>>>As for Fred taking away Rudy's support, isn't that what the primaries are for? Why would I get upset about that?

One reason, you obviously didn't think it was important enough to even mention. But showing up for another debate held in the confines of a liberal network, with a ex-Clintonista running the show, that was okay by you. LOL

>>>>>I don't need to prove my conservatism to you or any body else. After all that is subjective thing. I will tell you that I am much more of a fiscal conservative, and security conservative than I am a social conservative but if you and other Fred supporters try and define the entire party, it is you who will lose.

There have been many FReepers over the years who would agree with you about conservatism being a political endeavor open to personal interpretations. That is a wrong. The modern conservative movement is steeped in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the anti-liberal politics of both social and fiscal conservatism.

>>>>>>And if Fred actually gets in the race, and says anything that impresses me, it could still be him.

FredT has expressed a lot of impressive rhetoric over the last several months. He's made many pronouncements about his conservative politics, in numerous public venues. FredT has given many interviews and written many editorial opinions on ALL the issues. Not to mention his radio commentary.

Either you haven't been listening to his words, or you've chosen to ignore him. What you object to, is FredT not engaging in debates hosted by liberal media outlets. You'd rather jump to conclusions and cast aspersions on a good conservative whose chosen to set his own political course. I kinda like it. FredT is not afraid to be different. I'm not 100% sure he's running, but all the signs are there. He'll be a positive addition in the race to the GOP nomination.

Btw, the #1 priority on FR today, is for conservatives to work at assuring the liberal Rooty Toot never gets the nomination. FredT has already made it obvious to anyone paying attention, that his impact on the former liberal mayors campaign effort, has the RudyBoosters running scared.

357 posted on 08/05/2007 11:23:11 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Like the President said Jonnie...the country is suffering from war fatigue. Give it a rest for a while.

Ultimately it's up to God to get us to the next place we need to be. Sorry....as strong as you are you still can't do it all by yourself. Give people a chance to get their second wind.

Words of inspiration from a child's Sunday school song....

At the Cross, at the Cross,
where I first saw the light
and the burden of my heart rolled away.
It was there by faith
I received my sight.
And now I am happy all the day.

Let go and let God, just for today friend.

358 posted on 08/05/2007 11:26:18 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something. (Fred/Newt '08))
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To: HitmanLV

Wrong. Crystal clear and to the point.

I’ll reserve my extended opining and factual posts for the important stuff.


359 posted on 08/05/2007 11:30:13 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: All

Has anyone seen a replay of the debate listed on any channel for later today?


360 posted on 08/05/2007 11:35:02 AM PDT by msnpatriot
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