Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

House approves foreign wiretap bill (227-183 vote)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/4/07 | Charles Babington - ap

Posted on 08/04/2007 8:35:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The House handed President Bush a victory Saturday, voting to expand the government's abilities to eavesdrop without warrants on foreign suspects whose communications pass through the United States.

The 227-183 vote, which followed the Senate's approval Friday, sends the bill to Bush for his signature. He had urged Congress to approve it, saying Saturday, "Protecting America is our most solemn obligation."

The administration said the measure is needed to speed the National Security Agency's ability to intercept phone calls, e-mails and other communications involving foreign nationals "reasonably believed to be outside the United States." Civil liberties groups and many Democrats said it goes too far, possibly enabling the government to wiretap U.S. residents communicating with overseas parties without adequate oversight from courts or Congress.

The bill updates the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, known as FISA. It gives the government leeway to intercept, without warrants, communications between foreigners that are routed through equipment in United States, provided that "foreign intelligence information" is at stake. Bush describes the effort as an anti-terrorist program, but the bill is not limited to terror suspects and could have wider applications, some lawmakers said.

The government long has had substantial powers to intercept purely foreign communications that don't touch U.S. soil.

If a U.S. resident becomes the chief target of surveillance, the government would have to obtain a warrant from the special FISA court.

Congressional Democrats won a few concessions in negotiations earlier in the week. New wiretaps must be approved by the director of national intelligence and the attorney general, not just the attorney general. Congress has battled with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on several issues, and some Democrats have accused him of perjury.

The new law also will expire in six months unless Congress renews it. The administration wanted the changes to be permanent.

Many congressional Democrats wanted tighter restrictions on government surveillance, but yielded in the face of Bush's veto threats and the impending August recess.

"This bill would grant the attorney general the ability to wiretap anybody, any place, any time without court review, without any checks and balances," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., during the debate preceding the vote. "I think this unwarranted, unprecedented measure would simply eviscerate the 4th Amendment," which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.

Republicans disputed her description. "It does nothing to tear up the Constitution," said Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif.

If an American's communications are swept up in surveillance of a foreigner, he said, "we go through a process called minimization" and get rid of the records unless there is reason to suspect the American is a threat.

The administration began pressing for changes to the law after a recent ruling by the FISA court. That decision barred the government from eavesdropping without warrants on foreign suspects whose messages were being routed through U.S. communications carriers, including Internet sites.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; approves; bigbrother; congress; eavesdropping; fisa; foreign; govwatch; house; privacy; surveillance; wiretap
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-71 next last
To: NormsRevenge

Two Republicans - Johnson (IL), Jones (NC) - vote against the Bill. What’s with these Bozos?


41 posted on 08/05/2007 3:20:29 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MaxMax

The trade off was most likely the fact that they werem’t going home for their August vacation without sending a bill to the President that he could sign. He was clear on that. It took way too long but it seems the President has finally realized that his best option is to play hardball and he is good at it when he does it.


42 posted on 08/05/2007 3:21:01 AM PDT by maxter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Alia; TaxRelief; Constitution Day

Ping to Norm’s Post #2

Walter B. Jones voted nay.


43 posted on 08/05/2007 3:21:02 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge
The House handed President Bush a victory Saturday

It must have killed the AP writer to type that.

44 posted on 08/05/2007 3:55:18 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: vbmoneyspender

Well the ones from red states certainly do at any rate.


45 posted on 08/05/2007 3:55:41 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: wpa_mikeb
The DUmmies are in total meltdown.

You mean more so than usual right?

46 posted on 08/05/2007 3:58:31 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: squidly
I can’t think of one single reason why they would or should. But 183 of them did.

Reason #1..First and foremost, They are true, hard core Trial Lawyers.

47 posted on 08/05/2007 4:22:30 AM PDT by evad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: vbmoneyspender

“Wow. The Democrats did the right thing. Maybe they actually do have an instinct for self-preservation.”

What this demonstrates is that the dem opposition to the plan was not principled. They were only against it b/c it was President Bush’s plan. They would run the risk of failing to detect another (perhaps major) terrorist attack on Americans in order to score political points against our President.

Suddenly they agree to pass it b/c their (rediculous) 4-6 week break could be delayed. If these people had an ounce of principal beyond their own self interest they would have stayed and fought it out.


48 posted on 08/05/2007 5:17:58 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Constitutional Patriot

My guess..if you surveyed Rats,,you would find that they still believe the congress opposed this bill and was blocking the Pres.
The press will downplay this and still continue to talk like Bush and Cheney are out to violate everyone’s civil rights.


49 posted on 08/05/2007 5:42:29 AM PDT by Oldexpat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Cowboy Bob

They probably have been shopping at RINO’s R Us.


50 posted on 08/05/2007 5:43:14 AM PDT by RatsDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: vbmoneyspender
"Wow. The Democrats did the right thing.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of Democrats voted against the bill

51 posted on 08/05/2007 6:15:22 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: indianrightwinger; mkjessup; vbmoneyspender; NormsRevenge
Good win for the conservatives and the President!

It proves that the conservative position on Nation Security is a winning one ALWAYS, even in a DUmmy Congress.


The biggest mystery of all is why in the hell hasn't the GOP learned that they need to speak with one LOUD and OUTRAGED voice, schedule press conferences and refuse to let the DBM/MSM ignore them? They should harp on this vote until the next election! The GOP should take out ads and run them immediately on the insanity of the Dems.

They should throw down collective gauntlets decrying the 183 democrats that voted NO on this bill and announce that the majority of them will be defeated for their dangerous and reckless attempts to protect terrorists. I want every Bubba and Bubbette to know what the hell is going on with these idiots and the only way to make it happen is for the GOP to throw some never ending temper tantrums to get the attention of the general public.
52 posted on 08/05/2007 6:37:21 AM PDT by right wing (The Drive-By Media Are Terrorists Too)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: TxCopper

I’m glad you pointed this out. I was really watching Hunter and this p*sses me off. I’m not sure if this is apathy or just bad decision making, but he’s going nowhere and he’s putting forth NO effort to be a good candidate. It even more upsets me about Tancredo. It’s not immigration - I guess Tancredo really is a one trick pony.


53 posted on 08/05/2007 7:25:27 AM PDT by barnicus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: vbmoneyspender
Wow. The Democrats did the right thing.

Not by and large, they didn't. Just enough of them had the stones to care about America.

My moonbat Congresscritter (Che-Porter) voted no on this bill. She is **SO** going down.
54 posted on 08/05/2007 7:25:34 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: byteback

I noted that too. WTH...


55 posted on 08/05/2007 7:43:32 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (DefendOurMarines.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: lonevoice

ping


56 posted on 08/05/2007 10:15:12 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pride in the USA

Isn’t it amazing what can get done when you threaten to cancel the kiddie’s summer vacation?

It looks like the only thing the President asked for that he didn’t get was to make this permanent. In 6 months when this comes up again, maybe he can threaten the DIMs with eliminating desserts in the congressional cafeteria.


57 posted on 08/05/2007 11:43:12 AM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: maxter
That was an angle I completely overlooked.
Thank you Maxter.

/Salute

58 posted on 08/05/2007 5:05:29 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: MaxMax; NormsRevenge; maxter
See this:

Speaker Pelosi Is In The Hot Seat Over National Security (Hugh Hewitt)

59 posted on 08/05/2007 5:47:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Gran-daughters!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge
Thanks for the link. I see that, once again, Walter Jones of NC has voted with Nancy Pelosi. Interestingly enough, I was talking today to the man who is running against him in the Republican primary, Joe McLaughlin. He is an Onslow County Commissioner and is always the one “rocking the boat” and siding with the citizens of the county when the rest of the board wants to do something that most of us would not like.

One of my good friends (also a Republican) and I were at the pool today and we saw him swim by. My friend mentioned that she doesn’t think that he has much of a chance against Walter, but I told her not to be so sure. He heard us talking about the war and came over to talk to us.

He gave us some info about his campaign which is going very well, both locally and in the support he is getting in D.C. from the Republican leadership. He is very knowledgeable and told my friend chapter and verse about the votes that Mr. Jones has made which are in direct opposition to most of his constituents. Our district includes four military bases and is the home of MANY career military retirees. Joe is very pro-military and his bumper sticker even includes the phrase "Support Our Troops." He is also very fiscally conservative and very strong on the immigration issue. If you want to know more about Joe or would like to offer a few dollars or an encouraging word, his website is http://www.joeforcongress.com/.
60 posted on 08/05/2007 6:47:24 PM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-71 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson