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Evangelical Split Over Israel Batters Bush
The Jerusalem Connection ^ | July-Aug, 2007 | Larry Cohler-Esses

Posted on 08/03/2007 7:08:12 PM PDT by Salem

Bush and OlmertEvangelical Split Over Israel Batters Bush
By Larry Cohler-Esses
The Jewish Week

Evangelical Christians, long seen as a monolith in lockstep support of Israel, publicly fractured last week as two significant evangelical factions lobbied President Bush with criticism of Israel from opposite points of view.

For the first time, Christians United for Israel, a major Christian Zionist group with strong ties to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, lobbied President Bush against the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — a solution advocated by Israel, the Bush administration and the pro-Israel Washington lobby itself.

Meanwhile, some 30 Evangelical leaders, including prominent activists and intellectuals, publicly lauded Bush’s stand in favor of two states: Israel and a seperate state in the West Bank and Gaza for Palestinians. They also urged Bush to get involved more actively to make this happen. But this group pointedly noted that both Israelis and Palestinians “have committed violence and injustice against each other.”

The two groups’ dueling letters to the president, each critical of Israeli policies from respective viewpoints, marked a new, more complex phase in evangelical Christianity’s political stand towards Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, observers and partisans from all sides agreed.

The letter from Christians United for Israel, whose leader, Pastor John Hagee, was a keynote speaker at AIPAC’s Washington policy conference this year, lectured Bush, “Simply stated, land for peace is a failed policy of the past that has produced nothing but more war. Under the current circumstances, we feel a two-state solution would be unwise.”

Rev. Hagee’s letter, signed by himself and 50 other CUFI ministers, marked the well-funded new group’s first official effort against Israeli and U.S. policy. It was a step that Jewish groups that have worked with CUFI had earlier worried about and came just one week after its own national conference in Washington, where key officials sounded a similar theme. Representing a key constituent of Bush’s base, CUFI’s White House lobbying is likely to compel administration attention.

Josh Block, a spokesman for AIPAC, declined to comment on the letter saying he had not had a chance to read it. But Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said CUFI’s stand should not cause Jewish groups to waver in their welcome of the group’s support.

“Do I have a problem with Hagee on his one-state stand?” he said. “Yes.

But he’s entitled . . . . He does not make his support of Israel at this time conditional on Israel accepting a one-state solution.”

In contrast, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, the largest of American Judaism’s religious streams, said that by embracing Hagee, as many Jewish groups have done locally and nationally, “We are thereby embracing a radical position that will ultimately discredit Israel, not strengthen it. We are embracing a faction that says no to concessions; no to a two-state solution.”

In an opinion piece in The Forward last May, Yoffie charged that Jewish groups, particularly Jewish federations, have embraced CUFI under the influence of large contributions to federation fundraising campaigns by groups under Hagee’s control.

The CUFI letter arrived at the White House just one day ahead of the letter from 30 other Evangelical leaders in support of the Israeli and U.S. two-state position. That letter, organized by Ronald Sider, head of Evangelicals for Social Action, stated: “We affirm your clear call for a two-state solution. ... We also write to correct a serious misperception among some people, including U.S. policymakers, that all American evangelicals are opposed to a two-state solution.”

In lobbying Bush against a two-state solution, CUFI, which portrays itself as a staunch defender of Israel, set itself in clear opposition to the Jewish state’s official policy. But the writers of the second letter also upheld the value of criticizing Israeli policies in other respects, noting, “As evangelical Christians we embrace the biblical promise to Abraham: ‘I will bess those who bless you.’ And precisely as evangelical Christians committed to the full teaching of the Scriptures, we know that blessing and loving people (including Jews and the present state of Israel) does not mean withholding criticism when it is warranted.”

The letter stated: “Both Israelis and Palestinians have legitimate rights stretching back for millennia to the lands of Israel/Palestine. Both Israelis and Palestinians have committed violence and injustice against each other.”

The letter deplored the “tragic cycle of violence” which, it said, could be ended only through a negotiated agreement that would require concessions by both sides and “robust leadership” from Washington.

In a response quoted by The New York Times, Rev. Hagee appeared to excommunicate the pro-two-state writers from Christianity: “Bible-believing evangelicals will scoff at that message,” he said.

Asked why Jewish groups were embracing Rev. Hagee, who opposed Israel’s two-state policy, while the signers of the second letter enjoyed no such cache, Foxman said, “I’d say they’re new to advocating support for Israel. They’re even-handed in their approach to a two-state solution. But all of a sudden for them to surface on this issue is a little surprising.”

Rabbi Yoffie said, “I don’t agree with every word of that letter. I thought it came off as much too evenhanded, though that may not have been their intent. It read like there was equal fault on both sides. There is not. The Palestinians bear the bulk of the blame for the current situation.”

But Rabbi Yoffie lauded the letter’s “fundamental point about a two-state solution. That’s the political reality in America, in the Bush administration and with the government of Israel. There is no disputing that, even if you have issues with the tone of the letter.”

The letter signers include, Leighton Ford, a prominent evangelical minister; Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary, one of the county’s leading Evangelical schools; and Robert A. Seiple, who served as Bush’s special ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom earlier in his administration.

One of the signers, Gary M. Burge, is author of “Whose Land? Whose Promise? What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians,” a book strongly critical of Israel and sympathetic to the Palestinians.

The two letters come just a few months after Janet Parshall, a prominent fundamentalist radio personality long known for her support of Israel, publicly broke with the Christian pro-Israel movement for other reasons. Last March, Parshall dropped out of a Jerusalem conference sponsored by a Knesset caucus advocating ties with the Christian Zionist movement after the caucus condemned evangelization of Jews in Israel.

“I thought, wait a minute. We can’t just blindly support Israel,” she said then in a public statement. “We have to be able to tell them as a friend, you can’t do that. You can’t silence us.”

Israel, said Parshall, was telling the movement, “We’ll take your aid, your support and your tourist dollars, but we won’t take your Jesus.” She criticized the Christian Zionist movement for what she termed “a kind of blind support that says no matter what Israel does, Israel can do no wrong” and charged that some leaders in the movement fostered a belief that Jews could be saved outside of Jesus. “That’s not true,” she said.

Richard Cizik, vice president of the National Association of Evangelicals, said that Parshall’s view was “gaining traction” in the evangelical world. “That’s a common argument nowadays,” he said. “I hear that a lot.”

Like others, Cizik also said the two letters to Bush last week reflected a deepening split within evangelical Christianity with underpinnings more theological than political. CUFI, with its staunch stand against those advocating territorial concessions by Israel, tended to attract believers in an apocalyptic endtimes scenario involving the Jewish state, he said. Those associated with the other letter tended not to see the modern state of Israel as as being implicated in end-time scenarios but subject to standards of justice no different than any other state.

In this end-time scenario, derived from interpretations of parts of the New Testament and the Hebrew Bible, the return of Jesus must be preceded by the ingathering of all Jews to Israel, defined by its biblical borders. This is to be followed by an international conflagration centered on the Jewish state that will result in the slaughter of all but a fragment of the Jewish people. This fragment will then convert to Christianity with the second coming of Christ.

Because of these beliefs, said Cizik, “They out-Likud the Likudniks. I think they’re more adamant about the land than Israel itself.”

Indeed, in a short video documentary of CUFI’s conference last week by left-leaning journalist Max Blumenthal, many participants invoked such end-times beliefs when asked why they supported Israel.

But Ret. Army Gen. Jim Hutchens, CUFI’s Mid-Atlantic regional director, disputed the generalization.

“There are dispensationalists in our movement,” he acknowledged, using the theological term referring to those who believe the apocalyptic scenario involving Jews and Israel is being played out today with the modern Jewish state. “But not all who support Christian Zionism are dispensationalists. Christian Zionists don’t support Israel based on a speculative end-time scenario in the future, but based on God’s [biblical] covenant with the people of Israel in the past.”

Hutchens also stressed that CUFI was “non-conversionist.”

“Conversion is not our goal,” he said. “Our goal is to support Israel in matters related to biblical issues.”

Hutchens also charged that the signers of the pro-two-state letter were “supercessionists,” a term referring to those who believe that with Christ’s arrival, God’s biblical covenant with Israel was replaced by His covenant with the Church.

“Most of the people [who signed the opposing letter] regard Israel like they would any other Third World country that should be treated like anyone else who’s rejected Jesus Christ as messiah,” he said. “It [the letter] fails to recognize God has an inviolable covenant with the Jewish people, and it includes the land.”

Sider, who organized the pro-two-state letter, replied, “I have no idea what all the people who signed our letter would think on supercessionism.”

More importantly, he stressed, “We’re not in any way anti-Israel. We want Israel to have a secure base as a secure nation; and also the Palestinians. That will only happen with strong U.S. involvement.”


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To: ColdSteelTalon

Galatians 3:16: The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Galatians 3:7: Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.

Galatians 3:29: If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:8: In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


41 posted on 08/04/2007 4:41:12 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Mamzelle
He's not resting, either, and it would appear that the same forces behind the lack of support (and outright opposition) of US Jews to a pro-Israel ideology is providing new anti-conservative rhetoric to the leftish evangelicals. "Writing Israel a blank check...a slavish, passionate advocacy for Israel...Israel can do no wrong...all based on a loony interpretation of Revelation" and the Zionist appellation.

Oh, dear. So would it qualify if I have posted many times that "Israel has the right to use nuclear weapons pre-emptively if her neighbors threaten her. Or merely annoy her."?

I'm not into the apocalyptic though, being content for God to fulfill His own plan on His own schedule. Hagee and his bunch truly are trying to fulfill the apocalyptic, flying around to try to preach to every last tribe who has never been evangelized since that is on the list (as though they can force God's hand). To be truly slavish, I guess I need to collect all those Left Behind books and films. Admittedly, it hasn't been to popular with other Baptists if I make frank assessments of their scriptural merits. So, being a Baptist, you don't say things like that at the potluck. Not if you want good vittles.

My position on Israel is secular. We established Israel via U.N. authority. Israel withstood her enemies repeatedly. Now she has nukes and the means to deploy them for sea launch. So the fiction of the U.N.'s recognition of Israel is now mere history to me. Especially since I consider the U.N. to be a corrupt criminal incompetent organization that is about equally anti-American and anti-Israeli. And who puts folks like Iran and Cuba and such on their Human Right Commission and expect us not to start laughing at them.

Israel needs to protect herself and ignore all these intruders, whether Euros or Americans or Jewish or Gentiles. Israel, for Israel. And no one else. Israel and America should always be friends as Britain and America are. But as an equal, not a territorial possession like Puerto Rico.

It's might be a form of antisemitism to expect Israel to bow down to American opinions, whether Gentile or Jewish. What are they, beyond the Pale? What entitles these people to treat them as some bunch of nobodies that they can just push around?

Israel needs to defend Israel, first and foremost. The rest of the world can go hang itself. The reason for Israel to exist is so no one can ever again tell the Jews what they can and cannot do in their own lands.
42 posted on 08/04/2007 4:42:01 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush

Your welcome to your opinion...but you don’t enhance your position and the view of fellow Christian FReepers with your vanity posts.


43 posted on 08/04/2007 4:47:38 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Halgr
If you just touch the screen of your TV during the prayer, the Reverend Hagee will heal you.

Given that I am a Calvinistic Baptist, my "position" and "the view of fellow Christian FReepers" is irrelevant to my spiritual life. The indwelling of the Spirit and the presence of the Father are not, in my experience, a herd activity.
44 posted on 08/04/2007 6:35:33 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Salem

bttt


45 posted on 08/05/2007 1:20:06 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Mamzelle

YOu don’t have to be nasty with me! I am a supporter of evangelicals! Take your ignation elsewhere.


46 posted on 08/05/2007 7:40:46 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: tabsternager

I am not sure as to what your point is.


47 posted on 08/05/2007 11:43:27 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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48 posted on 08/05/2007 1:58:24 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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Eric Yoffie and Abe Foxman hate Evangelicals more than they love Israel.

Evangelicals are better supporters of Israel than liberal Jews.

FReepMail to be added or removed from this pro-Israel/Judaic/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

49 posted on 08/05/2007 2:21:59 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Salem
Chr*stian Zionism was always about the Bible, not about realpolitik. John Hagee is to be congratulated for breaking with the current Israeli government, Bush, and AIPAC in order to stand up for an undiluted Biblical Israel.

The continual screamings about "conversionism" are silly, and this comes from someone who rejects chr*stianity and is opposed to Jews embracing it (and who would much rather see chr*stian Zionists become observant Noachides). What is this bug-bear based on? Evangelicals did not exist in Medieval Europe and no Evangelical, no matter how "missionary," is going to force anyone to convert. You may have trouble getting them to accept "no" as an answer (considering what they sincerely believe the consequences of that answer are), but they aren't going to force anyone to do anything. Meanwhile, the liberal/ecumenical Jewish embrace of the Catholic/Orthodox churches merely rubs salt in the wounds of their hostility to American (white) Protestant Fundamentalism.

Complaints about "conversionism" are even more groundless when made by people who insist on making a never-ending list of demands of internal changes in other people's religions. Do they honestly think this is better than out-and-out proselytization??? To the contrary, it's a zillion times less honorable!

The positions of such people as Hagee is not so much based on either conversionism or an "end-times scenario," but on simple Biblical sentimentalism. Why is this so hard to understand? Oh, I know. Because no one except for them actually associates the Jews with the Bible.

As for Yoffie and his ilk, Jews who want a "secular state" unconnected with Theocratic Biblical Judaism should not live in the Holy Land. From what I hear, Antarctica is pretty empty.

And as for Oslo/Gay Rights Abie suddenly defending chr*stian support of Israel, considering the things he's said about them in the past I hope he has apologized profusely and repented of his anti-Torah positions. Otherwise he can go jump in the lake. I know of no more negative stereotype of the Jewish People than Foxman (except maybe Dershowitz). Where are all those Yemenite shepherds when you need them???

50 posted on 08/05/2007 2:45:33 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' tishma` 'el-divrey hanavi' ha hu' 'o 'el-cholem hachalom hahu'; ki menasseh HaShem 'etkhem.)
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To: juliej
I am Jewish and take my religion seriously. I would never seek to impose it on anybody else. Parshalls was off base. I want Jews to be better Jews and Christians to be better Christians.

All Jews are statutorily obligated to observe the Torah. All non-Jews are statutorily obligated to observe the Noachide Laws. All false, man-made religions are forbidden to everyone, Jew and non-Jew.

I am afraid the "super-tolerance" of authentic Judaism on this issue has been greatly exaggerated.

Don't dictate to chr*stians a list of demands of internal changes in their theology. Simply convert them to Noachism.

51 posted on 08/05/2007 2:51:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' tishma` 'el-divrey hanavi' ha hu' 'o 'el-cholem hachalom hahu'; ki menasseh HaShem 'etkhem.)
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To: Alouette
Eric Yoffie and Abe Foxman hate Evangelicals more than they love Israel.

Evangelicals are better supporters of Israel than liberal Jews.

'Amen ve'amen!

And what's the deal with Foxman having his photo taken with the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople? After all the invocations of medieval Eastern Europe you'd think he wouldn't do that. In fact, the Eastern Orthodox have never even "modernized" their liturgy like the Catholics have, and Foxman seems to think that's just fine!

Maybe American liberal Jews look on Orthodox chr*stians as "noble savages?" But I suspsect the real reason is that they prefer anti-Semitic chr*stians to those who associate the Jewish People with those Theocratic "neanderthals" in the Book of Joshua.

52 posted on 08/05/2007 2:55:48 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' tishma` 'el-divrey hanavi' ha hu' 'o 'el-cholem hachalom hahu'; ki menasseh HaShem 'etkhem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Maybe American liberal Jews look on Orthodox chr*stians as "noble savages?"

They look on Islamists as "noble savages" and Evangelicals as "savages."

54 posted on 08/05/2007 3:12:11 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: F15Eagle
The problem is most people (including most Jews) don't associate the Jewish People with the Biblical Israelites. The Bible is now associated with "redneck" Southern American Protestants (and before anyone gets angry with me, I'm everything in that description except Protestant!).

To most people the Jews are the "leftwing religious dissidents" of the Middle Ages, the "unconscious critics of their time" whose ill-treatment at the hands of contemporary chr*stians is treated as a sort of liberal/pluralist "passion narrative." Essentially the Jews allegedly "paved the way for being gay" by being an oppressed minority in a chr*stian "theocratic" context. This is why liberals used to love (or at least used to claim to love) the Jews.

Meanwhile, if you actually read the Hebrew Bible you get a completely different picture of the essence of Jewishness, but then again, good liberals insist on dismissing the Bible as "mythology" so they can pretend the Jews just sort of sprang up from nowhere two thousand years ago for the specific purpose of being oppressed by chr*stians.

No wonder Fundamentalists who want to recreate Biblical Israel drive them nuts.

55 posted on 08/05/2007 3:17:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' tishma` 'el-divrey hanavi' ha hu' 'o 'el-cholem hachalom hahu'; ki menasseh HaShem 'etkhem.)
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To: Alouette
They look on Islamists as "noble savages" and Evangelicals as "savages."

You don't have to tell me that. But why did Foxman have his grinning puss photographed with the Patriarch of Constantinople??? What would Tevye say about that? "Oh well, at least it wasn't a Southern Baptist"???

56 posted on 08/05/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' tishma` 'el-divrey hanavi' ha hu' 'o 'el-cholem hachalom hahu'; ki menasseh HaShem 'etkhem.)
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To: George W. Bush
Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.–Matt. 18:20
58 posted on 08/05/2007 5:05:13 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: tabsternager
Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

On of the most misquoted passages. So, you not not a Gentile? People who quote this always do it with the intention of really saying, "We should have no Jews, only Gentiles."

No male, no female? My guess is that you do not apply the same standard as your perverted view of the first clause.

I thought you were going to keep your anti-Semitic theology off these threads. Bottom line, you are not free, but a slave.
59 posted on 08/05/2007 5:12:26 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: SJackson

Christians United for Israel, a major Christian Zionist group with strong ties to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, lobbied President Bush against the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

I see no other practical solution. Now if only the Palestinians would get on board.


60 posted on 08/05/2007 6:05:40 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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