It's Official: Muslims Murdered Chauncey Bailey(Oakland,CA)

Not if you expel Islam from the US.

That's the only sane plan. Unfortunately, it's so sane that it's not likely to happen.

You don’t make any sense.

Simple. I’m saying that the situation with the Muslims here is not as dire as people make it out to be. I’m saying that America is under a much nmore dire threat from the Commies than the hirabhists. Look at America today and tell me, do things used to be this bad? When did it get to this point? Who got it to this point?

Realizing this would lead to the recognition that the greatest threat to America isn’t OSama and his goons.

Yes but first you are saying that if Muslims go then so do Christians but the commies are already taking out the Christians and supporting the Muzzies. The Muzzies are like the attack dogs in Animal Farm.

So you are wrong. If the Muzzies went, there would be less of a chance for a cabal inside of America crazy enough to blow themselves up and the Commies would have to just rely on the ACLU.

Of course, it would be easier if you would just say what you mean instead of eluding. It is very annoying. If you have names to name then name them.

I think you are probably just ranting and have no idea what you are ranting about, otherwise you would not be defending Osama. It makes no sense. I think there is more bluster then point to your rant.

"Yusuf Bey IV... ringleader in a group of black Muslims who smashed liquor bottles in Oakland corner stores and berated the Muslim owners for selling alcohol to the black community, because alcohol is forbidden by Islam."

America's very own "vice and virtue" good squad!

And there would be dead swine in that load, I’m sure.

Ping.

"Black Muzzies are nothing but a gang

Excellent observation. Only similarity between them and real mooselimbs is the name. True they borrowed some stuff but it's always seemed to me to be window dressing.

With any luck the mothership will be here to pick 'em up real soon now.

Glad to see that in some areas of the country the press and the police still honor the code.

Just as Christianity has many varied interpretations of scripture, I am confident, that many would argue, that the same exists in the interpretation of the Koran. I for one, would freely admit to a lack of knowledge on the Koran, as to be in a position to make that judgment.

It's not a question of different interpretations of ambiguous passages. The passages themselves are unambiguous.. I'll make it easy for you, and copy/paste from my FR homepage

Notes on Islam

The main sources of Islamic scripture is the Qu'ran (which ranks first) and the Sunnah
According to the website of the Muslim Students Association:
In Islam, the Arabic word sunnah has come to denote the way Prophet Muhammad (saas), the Messenger of Allah, lived his life. The Sunnah is the second source of Islamic jurisprudence, the first being the Qur'an. Both sources are indispensable; one cannot practice Islam without consulting both of them. The Arabic word hadith (pl. ahadith) is very similar to Sunnah, but not identical. A hadith is a narration about the life of the Prophet (saas) or what he approved - as opposed to his life itself, which is the Sunnah as already mentioned.
From my copy of the Koran:

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day ... until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low
            Surah IX:29
O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scriptures before you
        Surah V:57
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush...
        Surah IX:5
And slay them wherever ye find them ... Such is the reward of disbelievers.
        Surah II:191

And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying.
        Surah 33:36
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)
        Surah 9:123
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
        Surah 33:21 (note that this is important -- All that Mad Mo did is to be considered ideal conduct)

The following are quoted directly from the Hadith
Selections from the Hadith

Entrance into Heaven:
From Understanding Islam, page 2: "no one however devout and pious, can be sure of winning God's favor."
There is one, and exactly one, exception: Hadith Volume 4, Book 53, Number 352:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Paradise (if martyred) or bring him back to his dwelling place, whence he has come out, with what he gains of reward and booty."

Note the bolded part above in hadith 352. The one and only guaranteed way into Muslim paradise is to be killed while fighting in Jihad.
Also in the Qur'an 9:111:
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
Translation: Allah has made a contract with the Muslims: in exchange for the Muslim's lives and property, mandated to be used to fight Jihad, they will be rewarded in Paradise. This is central to Islam -- in my readings of the Qur'an this is the one and only circumstance where I've seen Allah binding himself to a contract
On the Islamic "Last Days":
The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

On "collateral damage" (killing noncombatants)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:
Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima [sanctuary; inviolate zone] is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
[ translation: the women and children of infidels are acceptable "collateral damage". A Muslim has no need to avoid killing them while attacking infidels (as the Palestinian suicide bombers demonstrate repeatedly) ]
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

On Safiya, the 17 year old Jewish girl Mohammod raped("married") after killing her father, husband, and male relatives
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143:
The Prophet said to Abu Talha, "Choose one of your boy servants to serve me in my expedition to Khaibar." So, Abu Talha took me letting me ride behind him while I was a boy nearing the age of puberty. I used to serve Allah's Apostle when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, "O Allah! I seek refuge with You from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men." Then we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah's Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,' where her menses were over and he took her for his wife. [...]
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 512:
The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet . The Prophet made her manumission as her 'Mahr'[dowry]
He took Safiya from the place where her husband, father, and other adult male relatives had been slain. As she was brought to him, she was led by the bodies of her relatives, neighbors and friends so that she was mute with shock when she arrived before Mohammod, who became impressed with her beauty. She was his war captive and slave. He made her his wife (in theory "freeing" her)
On Treatment of Those Who Try to Leave Islam
Treatment of a Jew who converted to Islam and left Islam to go back to Judaism Hadith Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:
Narrated Abu Burda:
Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

Mohammod on Prostitution:
Hadith Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:
Narrated Abdullah:
We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

On Punishment for Killing non-Muslims
Hadith Volume 1, Book 3, Number 111:
Narrated Ash-Sha'bi:
Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked Ali, 'Have you got any book (which has been revealed to the Prophet apart from the Qur'an)?' 'Ali replied, 'No, except Allah's Book or the power of understanding which has been bestowed (by Allah) upon a Muslim or what is (written) in this sheet of paper (with me).' Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked, 'What is (written) in this sheet of paper?' Ali replied, it deals with The Diyya (compensation (blood money) paid by the killer to the relatives of the victim), the ransom for the releasing of the captives from the hands of the enemies, and the law that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for the killing of (a disbeliever).

On Mohammod's Having Sex With a Nine Year Old Girl
He marries his six year old niece Aisha and has sex with her when she turns nine Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65: Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Dogs are to be killed

from the Hadith Book 010, Number 3811
Abdullah (b. Umar) (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered the killing of dogs and we would send (men) in Medina and its corners and we did not spare any dog that we did not kill, so much so that we killed the dog that accompanied the wet she-camel belonging to the people of the desert.
[They devote a whole chapter of the Hadith to dogs and their killing -- follow the link]

On Islamic Paradise

From the Qu'ran, Chapter 52, "The Mounting"
Lo! those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight,
Happy because of what their Lord hath given them, and (because) their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire.
(And it is said unto them): Eat and drink in health (as a reward) for what ye used to do,
They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
... Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.
[I'm guessing that all needs and desires will be satisfied, one way or another]

On Jihad and the Quranic concept of war

The US Army War College's journal had an interesting article on The Quranic Concept of War (the title of a book by Brigadier General S. K. Malik of the Pakistani Army). From reading the article, and from my own readings of Qur'an and Hadith, I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of Westerners do not understand the full concept of Jihad
Jihad is not just armed fighting. It is not just car bombings or crashing planes into buildings. Jihad encompasses any and all acts which serve to advance Islam and the power of Muslims, or weaken the power of non-Muslims.
The end-goal of Jihad is to produce an environment where non-Muslims are afraid to speak out against Islam, and where Muslims do not experience any opposition to their spreading Islam by word and deed
In accordance with this, many activities can be seen as being part of Jihad:

The fatwa against Salman Rushdie is part of Jihad, because it intimidates other writers from mocking Islam
Filing "hate speech" charges against anyone who is critical of Islam (as happened in Australia to Rev Daniel Scott) is part of Jihad, since it intimidates others from speaking out
Murdering artists who make movies critical of Islam (as happened to Theo van Gogh), and politicians critical of Islam (Pim Fortuyn ) is part of Jihad, because it makes others afraid to speak out
A Muslim co-worker complaining about you to your boss because you made remarks critical of Islam, in an attempt to get you fired, is part of Jihad, because it creates a work environment where others are afraid to negatively discuss the topic
Gaining a degree of financial control over media outlets (like the Saudi Prince who bought a large percentage of Fox News) is part of Jihad, since it allows Muslims to shape how they are portrayed in the media

gee...was this a “federal hate crime” !!!!NOT!!!

Should we care about what happens in Oakland? They get what they deserve.

Devaughndre Broussard admits to murdering Chauncey Bailey. More here...

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/

Thanks for the link Doctor Bulldog provided at jihadwatch.

Given all that you have posted as being factual, my original question is still valid and could equally be rephrased:

How would you propose to ban Muslims and be within the laws of the USA and the Constitution?

"Which other Constitutional Rights shall we also then eliminate?"

There's no "consitutional right" to Islam in this country. Read what Thomas Jefferson, for example, had to say about Islam, or John Adams. Permitting Islam the great enemy of western civilization, in the United States would have been anathema to those who wrote our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

They recognized, unlike most people today, that Islam is a violent, imperialist, totalitarian political movement, as well as a religion.

There's no "constitutional right" to Islam. Islam is a violent, imperialist, totalitarian political movement, as well as a religion.

First I want to make sure that you understand that my comments are based on a basic disagreement on the Constitutional issues here and not one of trying to validate the legitimacy of the Muslim religion. Those who murder in the name of their faith should face the death penalty. But to round up all members of that faith because some have murdered is, IMHO, against the laws of the land.

Now, having said that, you stated above that Islam is a religion. What Jefferson has written, in private letters or other sources, in regards to this subject, is secondary to this:

Amendment I: Freedom of speech, religion, press, petition and assembly.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I am afraid that winning the war on terrorism is far more complex then simply rounding them up and throwing them out.

Try to get out more.

“Try to get out more.”

I do ... as fo ryou spend MORE time amongst terrorists ... I’ll be watching for the video ....

I agree with you that muslims already here shouldn't be "rounded up" en masse. We should, however, prohibit the building of mosques, Saudi money for "education," and, as should have been done immediately after 9/11, if not years earlier, stop importing muslims. No student visas, no "family reunification," no "diversity" quotas, nothing.

How would you propose to ban Muslims and be within the laws of the USA and the Constitution?

Part of it will need to be a cultural rather than a legal solution: make it as popular to admit to being a Muslim as it is to admit to being an active member of the KKK. Educate people as to the realities of Islam's real philosophies

Consider how hard it would be to keep a job if it were openly known that you were a member of the Klan. Fellow workers could complain that your mere presence constituted a hostile work environment. Your employer would be forced to fire you in self defense (figuring out a way to do it which would not open him up to anti-discrimination laws)

Similarly, envision the treatment of a student on campus if it was widely known that he was a member of the Klan

The way the Klan was effectively destroyed, going from a membership of 4 to 5 million in 1929 to a tiny fringe group today, was by a combination of a change in public opinion and by making individual members of the group responsible for the actions of fellow members. The same methods may be applied to Islam

If an Imam rants and raves about killing Jews, and a member of his congregation goes out and bombs a synagogue, then prosecuting the imam as the instigator would seem to be a good idea