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Engineers puzzle over bridge collapse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6927526.stm ^

Posted on 08/03/2007 5:40:58 PM PDT by traumer

Engineers are trying to understand what caused the catastrophic collapse of the bridge over the Mississippi river in Minnesota.

Resurfacing work was taking place, but the bridge was last inspected in 2006 and no significant structural problems were found.

Such complete bridge collapses are a very rare occurrence.

If they happen, it is either because the load is too heavy, or the connections between the bridge's structural elements are too weak, Keith Eaton, chief executive of the UK's Institution of Structural Engineers, told the BBC.

"The engineers will have to see where the collapse started. Clearly a failure occurred somewhere which imbalanced the whole thing," he said.

Speculation that hot weather contributed to the accident by weakening the concrete or expanding the steel framework was not a likely explanation, he added, as modern bridges are built to cope with extremes.

A crack in the steel making up the bridge's structure was the most likely explanation for the disaster, he said.

Corrosion

The I-35W highway bridge (Bridge 9340) was built using a framework of rafters, posts and struts - a structure known as a truss bridge.

In 2005, it was one of thousands across the US rated as "structurally deficient" on the federal National Bridge Inventory database.

It rated 50 on a scale of 100 for structural stability in that study, White House press secretary Tony Snow said.

About 140,000 cars are thought to have used the bridge every day, but a 2001 report by University of Minnesota's civil engineering department found traffic levels were below those the bridge was designed for.

See graphic of the bridge collapse

The report went on to express concerns that a single crack in the main truss could "theoretically" lead to the entire bridge's collapse.

However, it also said that even if there was a crack, the load could "theoretically" be redistributed along the steel trusses or the concrete deck of the bridge, keeping the bridge aloft.

It added that no fatigue cracking had occurred, and that the bridge "should not have any problems with fatigue cracking in the foreseeable future".

File photograph of the Minnesota bridge The bridge crossed the Mississippi River near downtown Minneapolis

The state need not "prematurely replace this bridge because of fatigue cracking, avoiding the high costs associated with such a large project".

The truss bridge was built in 1967, with eight lanes over a span of 581 meters (1,900ft). It had no piers in the water, allowing easy passage for river traffic.

While no longer the cutting edge of bridge design, truss bridges are relatively cheap to build, and were a very popular structural choice in the US in the 1960s and 1970s, Mr Eaton said.

They have a downside, however.

"They are made of lots of complex pieces of metal, interconnected bolts or rivets," Mr Eaton told the BBC.

"They have little corners between two pieces of steel where water can collect and cause corrosion."

Nesting pigeons could also be an issue.

"Their droppings are very corrosive, which can be a problem," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 35w; bridgecollapse; engineers; pigeondroppings
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1 posted on 08/03/2007 5:40:59 PM PDT by traumer
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To: 353FMG

The pigeon droppings also got my attention...


3 posted on 08/03/2007 5:48:21 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer
It looks like it started over the train. Definitely not the cause but the vibration would be an easy ‘trigger’ to point to IMO. Pure speculation of course. The reports I’ve read have named numerous cracks and deficiencies.
4 posted on 08/03/2007 5:48:56 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: traumer
The media frenzy over a nearly unknown disaster, with a relatively low death rate, continues apace. Doesn't anyone in the press every think of comparative risk? Don't answer that; it's a rhetorical question. But do click below.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "It Bleeds, It Leads, It Deceives"

5 posted on 08/03/2007 5:53:29 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: 353FMG

Lame excuse.


6 posted on 08/03/2007 5:54:07 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: traumer
Speculation that hot weather contributed to the accident by weakening the concrete or expanding the steel framework was not a likely explanation, he added, as modern bridges are built to cope with extremes.

A structural engineer burst the global warming bubble on one of the interviews on FOX news a few days ago. It was her assertion that heat isn't a likely cause at all and that extreme cold would be more likely to cause damage.

One possibility that hasn't been mentioned too often is washout. They have a term for it but it escapes me.

7 posted on 08/03/2007 5:55:00 PM PDT by evad
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To: Congressman Billybob

bttt


8 posted on 08/03/2007 5:56:13 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: evad

“Speculation that hot weather contributed to the accident...”

Did Al Gore make any comments ?


9 posted on 08/03/2007 5:56:26 PM PDT by traumer
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To: evad
..but, we do know one thing for certain..
It's Bush's Fault!!
10 posted on 08/03/2007 5:56:33 PM PDT by evad
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To: traumer
Did Al Gore make any comments ?

None to date that make any sense.
Come to think of it...

11 posted on 08/03/2007 5:58:34 PM PDT by evad
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To: traumer

It is clearly President Bush’s fault.

The economy is so good that more individuals are able to buy heavier and bigger cars. And on their comute back and forth to their jobs where they are so over-paid, these (over-fed and sedentary, too!) workers get stuck in rush hour traffic which, contrary to its name, leaves people stuck in their cars and on the bridge.

All the weight, people and cars, made the bridge fall down.

If the economy weren’t doing so well, that bridge would still be up. Bush’s fault.


12 posted on 08/03/2007 5:59:38 PM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Freedom is never given. It is won.)
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To: evad

13 posted on 08/03/2007 5:59:40 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

Oh come on Brits, give it up...structural failure is the long and short of it.


14 posted on 08/03/2007 6:01:41 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: evad

I thought this bridge was built without “in the water” footing to prevent the wash away (term eludes me also) problem?


15 posted on 08/03/2007 6:01:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: evad

The term you’re looking for is “scouring”, and the bridge got a “more than adequate” grade last year in that dep’t


16 posted on 08/03/2007 6:01:47 PM PDT by Don W ("Well Done" is far better to hear than "Well Said". (Samuel Clemens))
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To: traumer
In 2005, it was one of thousands across the US rated as "structurally deficient" on the federal National Bridge Inventory database.

I've seen reports that the the bridge's initial designation of "structurally deficient" was the result of a 1991 inspection.

17 posted on 08/03/2007 6:03:01 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Don W

ahh...yes, that’s it.


18 posted on 08/03/2007 6:03:03 PM PDT by evad
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To: doc1019
hmm...it would have to be a suspension bridge and I don't think that's the case.

Anyway, I'm confident they will be able to figure it out.

19 posted on 08/03/2007 6:05:27 PM PDT by evad
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To: evad

I wonder if the concrete footings are still in place on both sides. In the video it went straight down quickly, no bending that I could see. My theory is erosion around the base. In the before pictures it looks like there was fast moving water.


20 posted on 08/03/2007 6:07:09 PM PDT by faq
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