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That Old-Time Religion
National Review ^ | July 31, 2007 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 07/31/2007 4:32:57 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

That Old-Time Religion
The Ron Paul temptation.
By John Derbyshire

Go on, admit it: you have felt the Ron Paul temptation, haven’t you? And it’s not just the thrill of imagining another president named Ron, is it? Ron Paul believes a lot of what you believe, and what I believe. You don’t imagine he’s going to be the 44th POTUS, but you kind of hope he does well none the less.

And why not? Look at those policy positions! Abolish the IRS and Federal Reserve; balance the budget; go back to the gold standard; pull out of the U.N. and NATO; end the War on Drugs; overturn Roe v. Wade; repeal federal restrictions on gun ownership; fence the borders; deport illegals; stop lecturing foreign governments about human rights; let the Middle East go hang. What’s not to like?

We-e-ell. We all have nits to pick, though we wouldn’t all pick the same ones. The gold standard? Wasn’t it going off the gold standard that gave us full control over the wilder swings of the business cycle? Which was, like, a good idea? I am by no means as willing to surrender to the collective wisdom of modern economists as Bryan Caplan wants me to be, but — the gold standard? Come on. And stopping the War on Drugs? Where would that take us? — Philip Morris brands of crack cocaine available over the counter at Walgreens? You pick your own nits.

That’s not the point, though. Nits aside, the broad outlook there is conservative in a way we don’t often see from a presidential candidate. It is, in fact, conservatism of exceptional purity. Reading through those policy positions, an American conservative can hear the mystic chords of memory sounding in the distance, and hear the call of ancestral voices wafted on the breeze: Hayek, von Mises, Rothbart, Nock, Kirk, John Chamberlain... Unlike the product in that automobile commercial, this is your father’s conservatism — the Old-Time Religion. What is there among Ron Paul’s policy prescriptions that the young William F. Buckley would have disagreed with?

So why aren’t we all piling into the wagon behind Dr. Ron? It’s not that the guy is personally unacceptable in any way. A pious family man, he has worked in an honorable profession — Ob/Gyn medical practice — all his life. (Paul has the slight political advantage of having brought several hundred of his constituents into the world.) He is personally charming and likeable. If not exactly eloquent in the florid, gassy manner American voters are used to from their politicians, he speaks clearly and well, keeps his wits about him, minds his temper, and holds his own in debate. With the positions he has, it’s easy to see why he’s not ahead with the media or the polls, but why isn’t he leading the pack among conservatives?

I doubt it’s his anti-war stand. Outside a dwindling band of administration loyalists in the wagons circled around George W. Bush, I can’t detect much enthusiasm for the Iraq war among conservative commentators and e-mailers. "We gave the Iraqis a fair shot, now let’s leave them to it and concentrate on chasing down worldwide terrorism," is the dominant sentiment. I’m not clear about Ron Paul’s position on routine counter-terrorism and covert ops, but on the war in Iraq, I don’t see much of a problem for him base-wise.

And so far as domestic counter-terrorism is concerned, his robust attitude to our nation’s borders and to illegal immigrants is likely to do far more for our security than W’s lackadaisical ethnic pandering. It is hard to imagine that under a Paul presidency, gatecrashers would still be streaming in across an undefended border six years after 9/11.

Is it the fact that the Ron Paul campaign has attracted a lot of loonies that cools our ardor? I don’t think so. For sure, Ron Paul has attracted loonies to his cause. Christopher Caldwell’s piece on Paul in the July 22 New York Times describes one such:

But Caldwell is being very unfair to Paul here. You could turn up people like that among the camp followers of any candidate, from any party. Send me out to poke among activists for Giuliani, Clinton, Edwards, or — for sure! — Obama: I’ll come up with worse than that. And around the hard core of Venusians there is always a penumbra of people who are just not quite right in the head. I got talking to a local Ron Paul activist here in my home town the other day. She is a very pleasant and charming lady, but I could hear the distinct rustle of bats in the belfry.

It is a fact, a sad but a true one, that grassroots political activism, the heart and soul of any democracy, attracts a lot of lunatics. I used to be a constituency activist for the Tory party in Kings Cross, London. Of the twenty or so people who turned up regularly to meetings, four or five were noticeably deranged (or, as an elderly fellow-Tory was wont to murmur in my ear when one of these cranks sought the meeting’s attention, "not quite sixteen annas to the rupee"). One or two were barking mad. My favorite was a gent with an Albert Einstein hairstyle and a permanent ferocious glare who, at every darn meeting, would try to advance his pet project for a law against class discrimination. (This was at a time, in the early 1980s, when laws against racial discrimination were being passed, to much controversy.)

If it’s like that in the Tory party, one of the Anglosphere’s oldest and solidest, at the heart of an ancient metropolis, I can imagine how thing are further away from the political center. A friend of mine, a brilliant, charming, and highly civilized man I shall call X, runs a fringe political group here in the U.S. He invited me to one of the group’s annual conferences. Not sure what to expect, I asked a mutual friend, name of Y, who had attended a previous year’s conference. "Well," said Y, "there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies." I decided not to take up X’s invitation.

So, I ask again, if it’s not the man, or the war, or the latrine flies, why aren’t we conservatives all on board with Ron?

By way of an answer, let me introduce you to my friend Zhang (not his real name). Zhang came here from China after the 1989 Tiananmen massacre. An energetic and clever young man, he worked at odd jobs around New York City while looking for an opportunity to make his fortune. The opportunity soon arrived. He happened upon a business opportunity — a new method of engraving on stone, the patent held by a fellow-exile with whom he had struck up a friendship. The two of them were sure they’d be rich in no time. They struggled for a couple of years to bring the thing to market. At last, defeated, they gave up. Zhang took a desk job as a clerk for a credit card company.

What was the cause of the failure? I asked him. He: "We didn’t realize this is a mature economy. So many permits, regulations, accounting rules, taxes! In China, we could have got this off the ground in no time, working out of back rooms and sticking up poster ads. Here — forget it! You’re killed by lawyers’ and accountants’ and agents’ fees before you get started. Stick up an ad, the city comes after you."

Something analogous applies to politics. If Washington, D.C. were the drowsy southern town that Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge rode into, Ron Paul would have a chance. Washington’s not like that nowadays, though. It is a vast megalopolis, every nook and cranny stuffed with lobbyists, lawyers, and a hundred thousand species of tax-eater. The sleepy old boulevards of the 1920s are now shadowed between great glittering ziggurats of glass and marble, where millions of administrative assistants to the Department of Administrative Assistance toil away at sending memos to each other.

Few of these laborers in the vineyards of government do anything useful. (In my experience — I used to have to deal with them — few do anything much at all.) Some of what they do is actually harmful to the nation. On the whole, though, we have settled in with this system. We are used to it. It’s not going away, absent a revolution; and conservatives are — duh! — not, by temperament, revolutionaries.

Imagine, for example, President Ron II trying to push his bill to abolish the IRS through Congress. Congress! — whose members eat, drink, breathe and live for the wrinkles they can add to the tax code on behalf of their favored interest groups! Or imagine him trying to kick the U.N. parasites out of our country. Think of the howls of outrage on behalf of suffering humanity from all the lefty academics, MSM bleeding hearts, love-the-world flower children, Eleanor Roosevelt worshippers, and bureaucratic globalizers!

Ain’t gonna happen. It was, after all, a conservative who said that politics is the art of the possible. Ron Paul is not possible. His candidacy belongs to the realm of dreams, not practical politics.

But, oh, what sweet dreams!


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1 posted on 07/31/2007 4:32:58 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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2 posted on 07/31/2007 4:33:44 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
stop lecturing foreign governments about human rights; let the Middle East go hang. What’s not to like?

That.

The gold standard? Wasn’t it going off the gold standard that gave us full control over the wilder swings of the business cycle? Which was, like, a good idea?

ummm, like, no.

I can’t detect much enthusiasm for the Iraq war among conservative commentators and e-mailers. "We gave the Iraqis a fair shot, now let’s leave them to it and concentrate on chasing down worldwide terrorism," is the dominant sentiment.

Stop spending too much time with Grover Norquist and Pat Buchanan. How can you concentrate on worldwide terrorism when worldwide terrorists are concentrated in Iraq?
3 posted on 07/31/2007 4:44:14 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

How long do you figure before the brave bushbot keyboard warriors start to show up frothing at the mouth and trashing RP calling him a coward and a nut? 5 minutes? 20 mintues?


4 posted on 07/31/2007 4:47:31 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Conservatives confuse the primary process with a horse race. They pick their candidate before he’s out of the gate and stick with him until the end. It doesn’t have to be that way. Let the candidates debate and the conservative ideas will be able lead all the candidates to the right. (Except for Rudy, who may realize that he’s really a Democrat and McCain who’ll finally see the writing on the wall and McFred who’ll realize that bragging about co-authoring the unconstitutional McCain/Feingold wasn’t conservative.)


5 posted on 07/31/2007 4:47:35 AM PDT by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

BTTT! That’s an awesome article. This guy nails the DC mentality perfectly.


6 posted on 07/31/2007 4:51:01 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ari-freedom
Stop spending too much time with Grover Norquist and Pat Buchanan. How can you concentrate on worldwide terrorism when worldwide terrorists are concentrated in Iraq?

We haven't done the basic things that were needed on 9/11 to protect Americans to the greatest extent possible. That's domestic border control, not for any racist reason or anti-immigrant reasons but to give law enforcement a chance to find out who is in the country without a pool of illegals that increases by the hour.

The president and Mrs. Clinton, they all say we have spent tens of billions of dollars on fancy gadgetry for our border crossing points, so we are safer.

Well, that assumes that al-Qaida is stupid and [will] walk in with an al-Qaida T-shirt carrying a nuclear suitcase and having a bandoleer of bullets around their chest and say here I am at Miami International.

They are not going to come in that way. They are going to come across the border and they are going to come in through a port. ~~ Michael Scheuer, former chief of the CIA's "Bin Laden" desk

7 posted on 07/31/2007 4:53:53 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: Nephi
Imagine, for example, President Ron II trying to push his bill to abolish the IRS through Congress. Congress! — whose members eat, drink, breathe and live for the wrinkles they can add to the tax code on behalf of their favored interest groups!

No wonder the GOP doesn't want him in the debates. Must protect that gravy train!

8 posted on 07/31/2007 4:55:26 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Yeah, I usually enjoy reading Derb.


9 posted on 07/31/2007 4:57:04 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Outside a dwindling band of administration loyalists in the wagons circled around George W. Bush, I can’t detect much enthusiasm for the Iraq war among conservative commentators and e-mailers. "We gave the Iraqis a fair shot, now let’s leave them to it and concentrate on chasing down worldwide terrorism," is the dominant sentiment.

Since this is largely my own position, he must be a genius. LOL. I do think that, having destroyed Iraq's own military, we are obligated to defend Iraq's borders against Iran and especially Turkey for another 3-5 years, primarily from remote bases in Iraq.

I don't share his overall pessimism though. RP running can stir interest in conservative economics and liberty issues. It can recruit future leaders. And, given the right moment and series of events, even win the nomination and the White House.

You can argue how many other politicians were elected that were just as impossible in their contemporary political climate. Yet, they were elected.

Certainly, Ron Paul's odds are long. But well short of impossible. And they continue to improve.
10 posted on 07/31/2007 5:05:33 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: ari-freedom
The gold standard? Wasn’t it going off the gold standard that gave us full control over the wilder swings of the business cycle? Which was, like, a good idea?

ummm, like, no.


The United States has never had a full gold-backed currency system. We have always had some fiat money.

Ron Paul favors transition, meaning the introduction of an alternative gold/silver currency to compete with other monetary and financial instruments (Fed currency, credit cards, debit cards, etc.).

If we can have Paypal operate as legal tender, why not gold and silver coins? I don't get the panic. The market can determine their popularity.
11 posted on 07/31/2007 5:10:14 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
But Caldwell is being very unfair to Paul here. You could turn up people like that among the camp followers of any candidate, from any party. Send me out to poke among activists for Giuliani, Clinton, Edwards, or — for sure! — Obama: I’ll come up with worse than that.

But, but I was told right here by the party 'faithful' that only Ron Paul has a few kooks in his ranks. You mean, gasp, that other candidates may have fringe supporters?!?

I doubt it’s his anti-war stand. Outside a dwindling band of administration loyalists in the wagons circled around George W. Bush, I can’t detect much enthusiasm for the Iraq war among conservative commentators and e-mailers. "We gave the Iraqis a fair shot, now let’s leave them to it and concentrate on chasing down worldwide terrorism," is the dominant sentiment. I’m not clear about Ron Paul’s position on routine counter-terrorism and covert ops, but on the war in Iraq, I don’t see much of a problem for him base-wise.

This is the NRO isn't it? The National Review?!?

12 posted on 07/31/2007 5:10:17 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Tolik

A thoughtful article. I’m not sure Ron Paul is actually electable at a national level, not sure who would be his running mate (Pat Buchanan??), but I am glad he consistently surfaces all these conservative ideas and can agree him on almost all of them.


13 posted on 07/31/2007 5:56:25 AM PDT by RhoTheta
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Google Trends

Google's search trends stats. If you go there, you'll see the interest in Ron Paul is building, not subsiding. There are links for individual states as well.


ron paul    mitt romney    fred thompson    john mccain    rudy giuliani   


Despite the news reference advantage the others have, Ron Paul's interest levels continue to increase, making him a real wild card in the Iowa straw poll and in primaries in 2008.

Here's Iowa's search results:


ron paul    mitt romney    fred thompson    john mccain    rudy giuliani   


I saw Nebraska and other states have something like a 90% advantage for Ron Paul. But Washington D.C. has FDT edging out RP by a nose.
14 posted on 07/31/2007 6:42:19 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Few of these laborers in the vineyards of government do anything useful. (In my experience — I used to have to deal with them — few do anything much at all.) Some of what they do is actually harmful to the nation. On the whole, though, we have settled in with this system. We are used to it. It’s not going away, absent a revolution; and conservatives are — duh! — not, by temperament, revolutionaries.

At the very least, we should stop adding to the numbers of government "workers." Can't that be done without a reveolution?

15 posted on 07/31/2007 6:48:26 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: George W. Bush

I don’t think 2 currencies will work because people will pay their debts in the fiat money and lock up their gold money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham’s_Law


16 posted on 07/31/2007 6:52:04 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: ari-freedom
I don’t think 2 currencies will work because people will pay their debts in the fiat money and lock up their gold money.

You know, there are many forms of silver/gold currency that are still legal tender. The Federal Reserve even sells a gold dollar. So it's not so radical really.

People can already buy gold in many forms as an investment. I think that offering a silver/gold currency is a nice way for people to hold legal currency that also has value as money. I also still have the silver dollars my uncle gave me as a baby, a nice keepsake for family members to give babies or graduates against a truly rainy day.

Given the fluctuations of the gold and silver market, I doubt most Americans would want more than $200-$1000 of gold/silver currency.

However, a more widespread use of gold/silver dollars would help to hedge against the hidden inflation of a Fed that prints money to deflate savings in order to manage the out-of-control federal debt interest costs.

Voting for Ron Paul is a vote to move toward a sounder currency, not a vote to return to a complete gold-backed currency, at least not in the short run.
17 posted on 07/31/2007 6:58:38 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush
well sure anyone can invest right now in gold if they fear inflation. There's e-gold. There are gold etf's.

But nobody is going to spend their valuable gold unless gold money is all there is. And that may ironically require govt enforcement. So that is the big problem I'd like to understand.
18 posted on 07/31/2007 7:25:35 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

thanks for the ping


19 posted on 07/31/2007 7:41:49 AM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: ari-freedom
I just don't see why issuing $20 billion - $40 billion in gold/silver currency can be a bad thing. After we issued it, we could see if it was a good idea to proceed.

Personally, I'm not supporting RP for the currency issue or the Federal Reserve issue. He has a much broader agenda for liberty and small-government. And I think we're going to see Iraq and Afghanistan winding down by election time, one way or the other. Either the surge works or not. We will start to pull back regardless by next spring.
20 posted on 07/31/2007 7:43:45 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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