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Posted on 07/30/2007 2:01:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Geologists have found the remains of a huge underground rainforest hidden in a coal mine in Illinois. The fossil forest, buried by an earthquake 300 million years ago, contains giant versions of several plant types alive today.
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Also surprising is the presence of remains from mangrove-like plants. "It was always assumed that mangrove plants had evolved fairly recently," says Falcon-Lang.
(Excerpt) Read more at bioedonline.org ...
You are stating a religious belief: "It was created." Don't confuse your religious belief with science (hey, that might make a good tagline...).
Don’t talk to us about evolution if you cannot give an intelligent foundation for the start of it.
False!
It makes no difference for the theory of evolution whether life began via:
1) some form of creation,In any of these cases, evolution works just fine.
2) natural causes,
3) panspermia (e.g., spores drifting through space), or
4) intelligent aliens starting life going here.
OK, set out your evidence that macro evolution is a proven fact. No theories, just hard evidence. Show all links in the chain.Nice try at changing the subject. Not only that, but I don't have the time to waste trying to teach the relevant science to people who have deliberately ignored the science and who have every intention of continuing to do so.
You are stating a religious belief: "It was created." Don't confuse your religious belief with science (hey, that might make a good tagline...).
Don’t talk to us about evolution if you cannot give an intelligent foundation for the start of it.
False!
It makes no difference for the theory of evolution whether life began via:
1) some form of creation, 2) natural causes, 3) panspermia (e.g., spores drifting through space), or 4) intelligent aliens starting life going here.
In any of these cases, evolution works just fine.
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one - you still have not answered the question. Com'on give it a try. First thing? How?
two - If everything was created [and their is both scientific theory and evidence of that] then creationism is science.
three - false, if you cannot prove the beginning of something living you cannot know it evolved. I am not talking about macro 'E' but NOTHING to something to cell thingy to fish thingy to crawling thingy to land thingy to flying thingy to giant T-rex thingy to man thingy.
Evolution is cute little theory but not science.
You either have a solid scientific basis for your beliefs, or you accept them on faith. I called your bluff, and you folded.
What’s so painful about admitting you have faith in Darwin? I’m not ashamed about that in which I have faith.
:-} By George, you've got it!
I go with natural causes. At least there is some evidence there. Unlike religion, which is entirely based on scripture and other mythology.
two - If everything was created [and their is both scientific theory and evidence of that] then creationism is science.
Creationism is religion, not science; why don't you just admit it?
three - false, if you cannot prove the beginning of something living you cannot know it evolved. I am not talking about macro 'E' but NOTHING to something to cell thingy to fish thingy to crawling thingy to land thingy to flying thingy to giant T-rex thingy to man thingy.
False. You don't need to know how a germ originated to figure out how to combat it! Germ theory does not state the origins of germs!
Evolution is cute little theory but not science.
If evolution is a theory, how is it not science? As I recall, science is the discipline that deals with hypotheses, theories, laws, and all those other scientific things which are dealt with using the scientific method.
From your post, it seems that you are doing apologetics, not science.
I'm sure Townes knows this. Did you? But how could you with the comments you've made here?
It’s irrelevant to any point I was making.
You either have a solid scientific basis for your beliefs, or you accept them on faith. I called your bluff, and you folded.In fact, I didn't "fold" at all, but proved that, contrary to creationists' pretensions, evolution is science, not faith. It is you who chose to deliberately ignore the citations to the science references that I gave you. This is precisely how creationists, like you, prove that you are religious dogmatists ignoring science.
What’s so painful about admitting you have faith in Darwin? I’m not ashamed about that in which I have faith.
Do you want me to recap the basics, such as the ‘law of original horizonality’ - all layers were originally horizontal, no matter how they now appear. (Of course, then you learn the exception, so the rule becomes, ‘all layers were originally horizontal, except when they weren’t’.
Or what about the rule that younger strata are always on top of older strata, and if that causes difficulty, obviously the layers have been turned upside down by earth movement. (And guess what - the ones that haven’t been turned over are the ones that were discovered first - newer discoveries should be explained away whenever possible so that the older theories can remain intact.)
Dealing with animals, it used to be accepted by scientists that the Okapi was the missing link between horse and giraffe, or that the Coelacanth was a missing link - now both discredited, but at one time accepted as articles of faith. And, of course, scientists knew that the Duckbill Platypus was a fake.
So again, when you can show me the physical existence of the current ‘missing links’ I might acknowledge that something other than faith underlies your belief system.
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I took this pic from the web. It is along Corridor H (more familiarly known as the Robert Byrd Highway!) and cuts through many mountains. I have marveled at the striations exposed along these hills.
In the pic, you can see the lines run about 45 degrees, but some surrounding cuts go vertical. They are ripples of something, for sure!
As a Theist, I can accept geologic upheaval (...the earth was without form, and void.) and easily accept it as the "Breath of God" moving things, about until He got it to the starting point. He then took from the soil and made man, then woman from man. I have found no date stamp in my Bibles.
Is is a myth? I don't believe so.
Darwin was skeptical of his own conjectures. Now, just like Joe Smith, his words are gospel truths, and his "science' is an accepted faith. I know in Whom I believe... The Creator, and have placed my life in the hands of His Son, Jesus Christ. Believe Him, or not!
You are doing a great job with these posts. Keep it up.
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