Posted on 07/30/2007 2:01:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Geologists have found the remains of a huge underground rainforest hidden in a coal mine in Illinois. The fossil forest, buried by an earthquake 300 million years ago, contains giant versions of several plant types alive today.
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Also surprising is the presence of remains from mangrove-like plants. "It was always assumed that mangrove plants had evolved fairly recently," says Falcon-Lang.
(Excerpt) Read more at bioedonline.org ...
“==Because evolution was brought about as a means to dispel creationism, not as true means of science.
Very true, as the following quotes illustrate (talk about faith-based!):”
If you think that evolution has nothing to do with science then you’d better be prepared to dispense with biochemistry.
For the 10 billionth time... EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD.
LOL!
Large dino footprints are found in coal mines every now and again.
And I offer the position that BOTH 'theories,' are not mutually exclusive.
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Does this mean you want everybody to hate you or everybody to love you? ;^)
==I’d recommend not getting your geological information from a Medical Doctor.
I have a feeling it doesn’t really matter to you what his credentials are if he disagrees with the Church of Darwin. BTW, I have been following his posts on Talk.Origins, and he more than holds his own against specialists from a variety of scientific disciplines.
But hey, if you only accept arguments from authority, perhaps quotes from Nobel Laureates will suffice:
Charles Hard Townes, winner of a Nobel Prize in Physics and a UC Berkeley professor makes the following interesting argument:
“Intelligent design, as one sees it from a scientific point of view, seems to be quite real. This is a very special universe: it’s remarkable that it came out just this way. If the laws of physics weren’t just the way they are, we couldn’t be here at all. The sun couldn’t be there, the laws of gravity and nuclear laws and magnetic theory, quantum mechanics, and so on have to be just the way they are for us to be here.
Some scientists argue that “well, there’s an enormous number of universes and each one is a little different. This one just happened to turn out right.” Well, that’s a postulate, and it’s a pretty fantastic postulate — it assumes there really are an enormous number of universes and that the laws could be different for each of them. The other possibility is that ours was planned, and that’s why it has come out so specially.”
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/06/17_townes.shtml
Dr. Robert Gange is a research scientist (cryophisics), engineer, and adjunct professor the David Sarnoff Research Center in Princeton. He just so happened to write a pro-creation book entitled, “Origins and Destiny”. Aside from the book itself, the back cover has this interesting endorsement from the late mathematician, physicist, and Nobel Laureate Eugene P. Wigner (1963, physics):
“I was particularly pleased with Dr. Gange’s refusal of the idea of materialism, and the convincing arguments supporting that refusal. In fact, the book will be a welcome response to materialism. Good luck, for a good book!” (http://www.ccel.us/gange.toc.html#Ab)
Wigner also noted in his widely quoted paper, The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Physical Sciences, that scientists often take for granted the remarkable—even miraculous—effectiveness of mathematics in describing the real world:
“The enormous usefulness of mathematics is something bordering on the mysterious . . . . There is no rational explanation for it . . . . The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve.” - Eugene Wigner, “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Physical Sciences,” Communications on Pure and Applied Mathematics, vol. 13 (1960): 1-14.
Interesting comments for an acclaimed “modern” genius with a Nobel Prize in physics. Such comments seem to mirror Einstein’s well-known observation:
“You find it strange that I consider the comprehensibility of the world (to the extent that we are authorized to speak of such a comprehensibility) as a miracle or as an eternal mystery. Well, a priori one should expect a chaotic world, which cannot be grasped by the mind in any way . . . . [T]he kind of order created by Newton’s theory of gravitation, for example, is wholly different. Even if man proposes the axioms of the theory, the success of such a project presupposes a high degree of ordering of the objective world, and this could not be expected a priori. That is the “miracle” which is being constantly reinforced as our knowledge expands.” Albert Einstein, Letters to Solovine (New York: Philosophical Library, 1987), 131.
Richard E Smalley, winner of the 1996 Nobel Prize in chemistry, as asked to present the keynote address at Tuskegee University’s 79th Annual Scholarship Convocation/Parents’ Recognition Program. In his address he discussed the increasing lifespan of humans as a result of cures and treatments for various infections and diseases. He urged his listeners to seriously consider their role as “higher species” on this planet. He also mentioned the ideas of evolution versus creation, Darwin versus the Biblical Genesis account, noting that the burden of proof is on those who do not believe that “Genesis was right, and there was a creation, and that the Creator is still involved”. (1)
After reading the book “Origins of Life” by Fazale Rana and Hugh Ross (2), among other books by Rana, Richard Smalley make the following endorsement: “ Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred.” (3)
Toward the last days of his life, in an interview with William Dembski, Smalley predicted that ID would be mainstreamed in five years and that evolution, in its conventional materialistic sense, would be dead within ten. Although I am personally just a bit skeptical as to the time frame, it will be interesting to see if his predictions are eventually borne out. (4)
1. http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/story.asp?S=2382961&nav=CcWvRbj5
3. http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/oct/05100605.html
4. http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1737
Taken from:
http://www.detectingdesign.com/Nobel%20Laureates%20Who%20Favor%20Intelligent%20Design.doc
For conservatives this is the most salient point in the article. Without reading every post I'd be willing to bet I'm the first to point it out.
News to me, but I'm not dogmatic on this. Do you have a link??
yeah they should junk this theory..IMO
I care not. Both bring an opportunity to scramble electrons, post them here and see whether or not they pi$$ somebody off.
8^)
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When the Church of Darwin proposes a neo-pagan god (read: natural selection) that is capable of fashioning molecules into a tree of life that transforms one species into another until it finally culminates into the crowning achievement, man, it most certainly has everything to do with God.
“I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all ‘design’ anywhere in the universe, is the direct or indirect product of Darwinian natural selection.”
—Richard Dawkins
It was indeed previously pointed out. But good eye nonetheless!
They (We)..don’t it only places evoutionary theory in jeopardy in its current form becuase supposedly in their theorized timeline mangroves didn’t evolve in this “strata” of rock since they were supposed to have evolved millions of years later according to evolutionary theory..It’s like finding an apple computer in the ruins of troy!
“Intelligent design, as one sees it from a scientific point of view, seems to be quite real. This is a very special universe: it’s remarkable that it came out just this way. If the laws of physics weren’t just the way they are, we couldn’t be here at all. The sun couldn’t be there, the laws of gravity and nuclear laws and magnetic theory, quantum mechanics, and so on have to be just the way they are for us to be here."
Whatever his accomplishments in the field of physics that's an extremely narrow view of things. He presupposes that life can only exist in the kinds of conditions and in the forms it has been found in so far. The range of life that has been discovered on this planet shows that it is not limited much by temperature, pressure or a need for sunlight, oxygen or CO2. It is rather parochial of him to assume that life could not exist in conditions entirely different than manifest in this universe. His assumptions are altogether more absurd than the ones he's trying to dismiss.
Ahh, so that cigar you’re smoking is just a cigar? Carry on.
You might want to check out the following link. Fascinating stuff! It is a short video that demonstrates that if you take a straight forward reading of the Bible and assume the universe has a center and an edge, and plug this into Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity (re: gravitational time dilation), the earth can be quite young (ie thousands of years old) and the universe can literally be billions of years old, even though they were both produced by the same “Big Bang” event. The video is narrated by the author of a book (also short) by the same name. If you decide to watch it, I’d be interested in your comments. All the best—GGG
http://www.nwcreation.net/media/starlight_and_time.ram
It's more like finding a Chinese beer in a US super market. It wasn't expected but there's a rational explanation for it.
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