IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability(Abolish with The Fair Tax)

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | July 26, 2007 | Bob Unruh

[Man50D]

It's tine to abolish the IRS by passing . Fair Tax Act Of 2007. Visit Americans For fair Taxation for more information.

[Man50D]

Fair Tax ping!

[ClearCase_guy]

War on Terrorism
Immigration
Tax Reform

These are winning ideas for any presidential candidate.

[doodad]

It would take too long to relate my particular run ins with the IRS. Suffice to say I got hosed, but ended up cussing out the agent with the point that no entitiy in private industry could get away with the idiocy they use as a work procedure.

[goldstategop]

I'd have to say NO. The 16th Amendment authorizes Congress to levy a federal income tax regardless of source and without reference to any enumeration or apportionment. Its a direct tax. The only way we'd get rid of the IRS is to repeal the 16th Amendment.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Man50D]

The only way we'd get rid of the IRS is to repeal the 16th Amendment.

You'll be happy to know HJR 16 before the House will repeal the 16th Amendment.

[ClearCase_guy]

I'm no expert, but I think one of the central points of contention is the definition of "income". Sure, the 16th Amendment allows a tax on income. But if "income" does not mean "wages", then your paycheck cannot be taxed.

This could get interesting. Especially if a dynamic politician wanted to run with the idea of a NRST instead of an income tax.

[RangerM]

Something in that article intrigues me

"The IRS considers, in the case of a Wal-Mart wage earner, 100 percent of what he takes in is profit."

BUT, if the government sets the "miminum wage", by that logic, could/should I be able to reduce (from my wage), the government-mandated mimimum wage? After all, if the government has set a minimum wage, then they must consider it "the point at which a wage earner is no longer in deficit". I interpret this to mean that at the minimum wage, the worker is at a "net zero"; neither in deficit or profit. AND, if the government has set a mimimum wage, have they (by default) also not set a "miminum tax"?

[festus]

One should avoid wine and strong drink. It can cause you to shoot at revenuers....................

And miss.

;-)

[djf]

I’ve been studying this issue for a time.

If there was a law that clearly and unambiguously showed that Cryer had to pay taxes, then the government only needed to show the jury the law, and he would have been found guilty.

But they could not show the jury that law.
What does that tell you?

[redlocks322]

Being “30 something” - the most distressing “tax” to me is the ungodly amount of “social security tax” that’s taken out of my paycheck especially when I know I’ll never see it in my old age.

I’d let the gov’t keep all I and my employers have paid in if they’d just stop taking it out.

I like the fair tax idea - I think it would level the playing field in all areas - instead of rewarding having a passel of kids by way of the earned income tax credit, and illegals skirting the system, everyone would pay. I feel the same way about the “school tax” here in Texas - get it off the backs of homeowners and make it a “sales tax” of sorts.

[Right Wing Assault]

When was this case decided?

[Nephi]

It's tine to abolish the IRS by passing . Fair Tax Act Of 2007.

Sure, if you want to continue to be the tax collector for the globalists who are determined to control the US. Otherwise, you'd simply call for a return to tariffs, which puts America's economic reins back in the hands of the people.

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

This organization will not be abolished, because it is the government’s way of implementing a social welfare system for people who would never get a job in the private sector.

[Stepan12]

It's not a question of getting rid of the IRS. The IRS collects a lot of taxes besides the so-called income tax; however, the income tax is collected illegally and if the law were correctly obeyed, no one would be prosecuted or have one's property seized as regards this phony tax.

It's patriot and martyr, Irwin Schiff, who exposed the lack of liability for the income tax (liability is the only basis for a mandatory taxation per the privacy act).

His website is here.

[ClearCase_guy]

But they could not show the jury that law.
What does that tell you?

Tells me a lot. But in a related note -- this guy isn't the first to make such a claim. The notion that there is no law on the books which says we have to pay taxes is not a new notion.

So why hasn't the government written such a law?? There appears to be this giant loophole, and the government (apparently) has been quietly hoping that no one notices it. Weird.

[mek1959]

Abolish the irs ping

[djf]

5th amendment.

If the government sent you a form every year that said:
How many murders did you commit last year? ____ (enter number even if zero)

AND compelled you to fill out the form...
AND said that the form could be used against you...

It would be blatantly unconstitutional.

[jim_trent]

There seems to be a remarkable lack of specific details of in either article. However, the spinning around those details (or lack thereof) is enough to make me dizzy.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

I would like a minimum wage of $100 per hour. After all, CEOs make millions a year!