Nat Helms served three tours in Vietnam and, most recently, is the author of My Men Are My Heroes: The Brad Kasal Story (Meredith Books, 2007) ________________________
Nat Helms is now confirming what he first reported here. There was a Predator in the sky above Haditha that morning, and the scale of the battle was known up and down the chain of command.
We'll also stay on this story about LCpl Mendoza. I'd hate to think that NCIS did something at odds with US law, wouldn't you? This should get very interesting so stay tuned!
1 posted on
07/25/2007 6:09:19 PM PDT by
RedRover
To: RedRover
2 posted on
07/25/2007 6:09:57 PM PDT by
bmwcyle
(Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
To: All
The Article 32 hearing for LCpl Stephen Tatum concluded today with closing statements. The case is now in the hands of the Investigating Officer. LtCol Paul Ware.
For more about the LCpl Humberto Mendoza testimony at the LCpl Tatum hearing, see this thread.
Marine Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum, right, arrives with his civilian defense attorneys Jack Zimmerman, left, and Kyle Sampson, center, for his Article 32 Investigation Hearing at Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base in San Diego County Monday, July 16, 2007. (AP Photo/Denis Poroy)
5 posted on
07/25/2007 6:16:16 PM PDT by
RedRover
(DefendOurMarines.com)
To: RedRover
To: RedRover
Can murtha be prosecuted for making false alllegations?
7 posted on
07/25/2007 6:20:58 PM PDT by
freeangel
( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
To: All
8 posted on
07/25/2007 6:23:22 PM PDT by
jazusamo
(DefendOurMarines.com)
To: RedRover; jan in Colorado
Someday the truth will be available for everybody to see for themselves. The continuous video should be 8-10 hours, and includes the entire fight, one Marine said. [It]
finishes with the insurgent holding a child in order to avoid getting bombed again, he added, before we swarmed in to capture him. Lock Murtha in a cell and make him watch it over and over again...
11 posted on
07/25/2007 6:27:53 PM PDT by
Fred Nerks
(Fair dinkum!)
To: RedRover
All of this makes me sick. It is hard enough, in the fog of battle and house to house fighting to distinguish civilian from combatant especially when the combatants shied themselves behind women and children.
If NCIS, or any other government agency, is somehow cooking the facts for the sake of politics, I say we are in deep shit.
I think I would be in jail today if we have video cameras and picture cell phones in Nam.
The PC war appears is impossible.
To: RedRover
Excellent investigation to find the truth and another outstanding article by Nat Helms. So who are all these division level folks who knew this was a major engagement? Why did everybody try to act like the Haditha "incident" was an isolated event in these 4 houses? Why the silence from division level?
An officer who was there said so many people were watching the fight go down that a faraway Public Affairs Officer wrote 3/1 to suggest it was time to maximize the coalition coverage of this, pointing out to the locals that insurgents don't care about their children."
Ummmmmmm.....has he been called to the witness stand in any of these hearings?
15 posted on
07/25/2007 6:47:18 PM PDT by
Girlene
To: RedRover
About time. We knew about the predator how soon after it happened? Sheesh. Excellent post Red.
Has anyone touched on the morgue angle yet?
21 posted on
07/25/2007 7:07:31 PM PDT by
AliVeritas
(Jane Doe and I carry. Dems hate Bush as much as they love terrorists. Thanks jackv)
To: RedRover
Damn good news Red! Any reports from the closing statements today?
To: RedRover
29 posted on
07/25/2007 7:23:36 PM PDT by
shield
(A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
To: RedRover
Saaay Whaaat?? **bug-eyed bewilderment**
An officer who was there said so many people were watching the fight go down that a faraway Public Affairs Officer wrote 3/1 to suggest it was time to maximize the coalition coverage of this, pointing out to the locals that insurgents don't care about their children."
They have VIDEO of this!! Remind me again why these men were charged??
And this:
On December 18, 2005, three days before three Marines from his squad were charged with murder Mendoza was granted immunityfrom prosecution in return for his cooperation. Despite previous testimony to the contrary Mendoza went from being part of a combat stack of Marines attacking a hostile objective to a lone Marine apparently wandering around in a smoke-filled house grenades had just been thrown into, he testified.
This story has so many holes, swiss cheese would blush.
Oh, and finally this nugget:
[It]
finishes with the insurgent holding a child in order to avoid getting bombed again, he added, before we swarmed in to capture him.
Uhhh, wouldn't this be a smoking gun?? If I were the judge, it would be "Dismissed, WITH prejudice!" thwap, thwap, thwap (my gavel). Oh and then,"Now bring me Tim McGirk and John Murtha!" thwap, thwap, thwap. (Obviously more a civilian court fantasy.)
This has gone from being just "hinky" to a total farce of a prosecution. What on EARTH is going on here??
36 posted on
07/25/2007 7:29:46 PM PDT by
Shelayne
(I will continue to pray for President Bush and my country, as I am commanded to do by my Lord.)
To: RedRover
The Case Against the Haditha Defendants is Coming UngluedThe LIES about the Haditha Defendants ARE COMING OUT
would be a more accurate headline I think.
44 posted on
07/25/2007 7:53:02 PM PDT by
StarCMC
(This country is not free by the pen but by the back,brains and bullets of a soldier. ~advertsng guy)
To: RedRover
Zimmermann subsequently suggested during his examination of Mendoza that the NCIS told Mendoza his citizenship was at stake if he didn’t cooperate.
why couldn't he come right out and ask him this question ?
53 posted on
07/25/2007 8:13:34 PM PDT by
stylin19a
(Don't buy a putter until you have had a chance to throw it.)
To: RedRover
Zimmermann subsequently suggested during his examination of Mendoza that the NCIS told Mendoza his citizenship was at stake if he didn’t cooperate.
why couldn't he come right out and ask him this question ?
54 posted on
07/25/2007 8:13:52 PM PDT by
stylin19a
(Don't buy a putter until you have had a chance to throw it.)
To: SittinYonder
To: RedRover
Outstanding news, Red. It's great that Nat Helms is getting this out. Great post.
Everyday this Haditha hoax is getting better and better for our guys and worse and worse for Murtha and the NCIS. Thank goodness. I'm definitely gonna owe you a case of beer for your good work when this is over with.
66 posted on
07/25/2007 8:51:22 PM PDT by
smoothsailing
("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"--President Ronald Reagan)
To: RedRover
Praise God.
Dear Lord, please totally shred the attack on these faithful patriots.
67 posted on
07/25/2007 9:03:55 PM PDT by
Quix
(GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
To: Cannoneer No. 4; intenseracer; 2ndDivisionVet; Lurker; roaddog727; MizSterious; Tainan; ...
Haditha case continuing to fall apart ping. Don’t hold your breath waiting for mea culpas from the media and the anti-military Left, who have used this case to bolster their “we shouldn’t be in Iraq” arguments.
78 posted on
07/26/2007 3:42:07 AM PDT by
FreedomPoster
(Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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