Posted on 07/23/2007 11:47:17 AM PDT by beaversmom
MCMINNVILLE, Ore., July 22 (UPI) -- Two 13-year-old Oregon boys are facing serious sex charges for allegedly slapping female classmates' bottoms as a form of horseplay.
Police arrested Cory Mashburn and Ryan Cornelison of McMinnville and if convicted could be permanently marked as sex offenders, The Portland Oregonian said Sunday. The teens also could spend as long as 10 years in juvenile detention if found guilty.
While the boys' parents have opposed such a harsh penalty, McMinnville District Aattorney Bradley Berry said such youthful acts could have longstanding consequences for the alleged victims.
"These cases are devastating to children," he said. "They are life-altering cases."
Interviews with the boys' fellow students found other teens were engaging in similar behavior at the time and two of the female victims have since recanted their statements.
The Oregonian said the boys are due in court on Aug. 20 to answer to all charges stemming from the February event.
Your posts are still cryptic. If you have information that is different than what we are hearing from the boys and their families and through the press, please say what it is. You are leading us to believe this was a serious sexual assault but are giving no information.
Earlier you said that a swat on the bottom was a sexual assault. If I were a true victim of sexual assault, I would find that insulting. I'm assuming you are conservative since you are a member of this forum, but the left does this all the time. They have made everything rape. They have called Republicans Hitlers and Nazis. It minimizes and insults the victims of true crimes and true atrocities to lump everything together like that. I don't know what term to use for an unwanted tap, pinch, or swat on the bottom, but I know I wouldn't call it sexual assault.
It looks to me like the Oregonian has seen the case file (link), and I see nothing to indicate it was anywhere near to what you are suggesting:
"But confidential police reports and juvenile court records shed new light on the context of the boys' actions. The records show that other students, boys and girls, were slapping one another's bottoms. Two of the girls identified as victims have recanted, saying they felt pressured and gave false statements to interrogators."
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Last year, in a previously undisclosed prosecution, he charged two other Patton Middle School boys with felony sex abuse for repeatedly slapping the bottom of a female student. Both pleaded guilty to harassment, which is a misdemeanor. Berry declined to discuss his cases against Mashburn and Cornelison.
First, I did not know there was an article on the other thread and no link has been provided on this post. But understand that the knowledge that I have is based on the verbiage quoted at the beginning of this thread. And that information is minimal.
The two boys tore down the hall of Patton Middle School after lunch, swatting the bottoms of girls as they ran -- what some kids later said was a common form of greeting. But bottom-slapping is against policy in McMinnville Public Schools.
I assume the above is a direct quote from that "other" article. So okay, bottom-slapping is against the policy of this school. Which begs the question: is bottom-slapping okay in other schools? Because, silly me, I do not believe that bottom-slapping should be okay in any school. Now I know that guys do this sort of thing to each other as I do watch a football game now and again. But to willy-nilly allow males to bottom-swat females as they walk down the hall to class, hey I don't think there's one thing right about this. Further, to those of us with daughters, suppose your daughter came home and complained about constantly having her butt swatted as she walked the halls of her school? You think this would be okay?
So a teacher's aide sent the gawky seventh-graders to the office, where the vice principal and a police officer stationed at the school soon interrogated them.
To those amongst us who complain about the lamestream media tending to "slant" things.....come on...what alleged "gawky" boys run down the halls of their school swatting the girls' bottoms? Gawky to me indicates a sort of buck-toothed, all-elbows sort of fellow. What right does the writer of this bit have to call those kids "gawky"? I wonder if the reporter has even seen these kids. Frankly I think two hellion boys running down the halls swatting girls bottoms to be just plain bad and rude. Gawky is the last word that would describe them. And if I were those boys' parents I'd be super embarrassed about that kind of behavior.
The girls are apparently saying they felt pressured to say things they didn't want to say. Also, I don't think the police officer had obtained parental permission to question the kids in a criminal investigation.
Why do you deduce that the girls are apparently saying things they felt pressured to say? On what are you basing this assumption? According to your quote, it wasn't the GIRLS who reported these fine fellows. It was a teacher's aide. Either the teacher's aide saw what she saw or she/he didn't. Where does this bring the notion that the girls somehow are embellishing their stories?
Hey, conservatives, as a rule, tend to believe that we should be able to walk about in pursuit of our happiness without having our bodies molested in an unwanted manner by anyone, male or female. Except, I must deduce by some of the arguments on this thread, for females, who should be most gracious about fond male taps on their behind?
There seems to be some argument also that a swat on the butt is not a SEXUAL assault. Well I'll sit with you and argue as to the type of assault all day and night but go with me, swatting me anywhere on my person uninvited is an ASSAULT. Now as to how I, or in this case the school, handles it is open to debate. If those boys had reached out and grabbed those girls' breasts would that be "sexual" assualt? Where does the word "sexual" end and just an ordinary, regular assault begin? Does it much matter?
Because for now and from what I know so far, those boys are guilty of assault of some sort, supposing they had slapped all the girls in the face?
I should think those authorities could handle this firmly and without putting those boys in jail or have their futures sullied for what, for now I believe, is thoughtless somewhat rude behavior.
For sure and until the day I die will I ever accept that the solution is for the females to accept a swat in the ass as a male's god-given right and she should not complain lest the offending male be punished somehow for his offensive behavior, sexual or otherwise.
No....in Durham the prosecutor LIED about what those boys did. In this case, those boys did what they did and there were plenty of witnesses. I suspect that the authorities are just trying to scare the hell out of those boys.
And it sure sounds to me like they need it.
There's a huge difference, however, between ungentlemanly and criminal. I guess whistling at a cute girl is only a misdemeanor rather than a felony sex offense. (What a relief!)
I’m with you. I can’t imagine having someone slap me on the back side as a kid. I’d have slapped the daylights out of them and been terribly humiliated. What these kids did reflects a lack of respect. But I don’t think it’s criminal and I think the punishment way exceeds the crime. They need to figure out an appropriate discipline for this and administer it consistently when needed. Then drop it.
I agree. Perhaps the most appropriate punishment is for the boys to call the girls fathers and explain why they did what they did, that would be enough payment.
Yeah, having a couple of dads say something like “look here boy, for every time your hand touches my daughter’s butt my foot is going to firmly touch your balls” would probably straighten those kids up pretty quick.
If they'd slapped those girls in their faces would that be criminal? If so then a slap on the backside is NOT criminal? If not then we should live in a society where people can just, boom, slap other people, anywhere on their person, and it's.....eh, okay?
And if another female should dare to suggest that this male behavior is bawdy and boorish please be sure to attack HER, be sure to call HER names, be sure to post pictures of very ugly women and give her a wide berth and refer to her as "dragon lady", by all means, put a quote from mighty viagara-eating, can't-keep-a-woman, valerie-plame-loving Rush Limbaugh as a great source for the kind of hideous ugly-assed women who dare to suggest that women should not be treated as objects for the sexual gratification of any man who so desires a fond touch. For, as Rush's quote advises, women who complain about such things are very unattractive.
Whatever you do, defend those sweet boys who ran down the hall swatting the butts of school girls, some of whom could be your daughters. For this is just fine.
I’m not defending the boys at all. If you had read my post, you would realize that. I think it’s brutish behavior, not at all “boys will be boys behavior” that you wink at. But I don’t think it’s criminal. It needs to be punished, but not criminally.
From the Oregonian:
"But confidential police reports and juvenile court records shed new light on the context of the boys' actions. The records show that other students, boys and girls, were slapping one another's bottoms. Two of the girls identified as victims have recanted, saying they felt pressured and gave false statements to interrogators."
--http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1185040507206380.xml&coll=7
Because for now and from what I know so far, those boys are guilty of assault of some sort, supposing they had slapped all the girls in the face?
Do you think the girls are guilty of some sort of assault, too?
What the heck is going on in my State?
Freaking Liberals have destroyed this State and this crap has to end.
The innocence of being a kid,doing what kids do at that age and once considered normal, has now turned into something that is evil,dirty or sex related.
What a bunch of BS.
My daughter got sent to the principals office last year, for hugging a friend that came back to school after a long absence do to illness.
I was appalled and called the principal telling her about my outrage of treating my daughter that way and that a hug doesn’t hurt anyone and that it is normal to hug a friend after said friend has been gone for a long time.
Of course I didn’t get anywhere with the liberal principal.
I guess it would have been okay if she would have hugged a friend that was a female and not male.
In the first of two police reports, Roache noted that Cornelison had admitted he'd poked a girl's breast. Mashburn said he also had poked girls in their breasts in the past.
Okay, I went back and carefully read the entire article slowly and carefully. Above....an intriguing quote for those amongst you defending these fine fellows. Note please, that these boys ADMITTED to poking girls in their breasts....in the past
. So these real nice boys have a history of this sort of thing and y'all might want to know this before you go defending them all to hell.
As for the one girl "recanting"....not hardly. She just said she told the principle that the butt swat "hurt" but told the judge it really didn't. Well hell's bells, I don't think the swat was really supposed to hurt. It was so these two fine boys, recipients of love and adoration on this post on the very conservative forum known as FreeRepublic.com-could get a free feel. Just as they've been getting free feels of girls' breasts in the past which they admitted to.
Come on folks....these are NOT nice boys. The article linked by Ken H. does tend to focus in on these fine boys' parents who, heh, have to pay all kinds of legal fees for their proud sons who like to help themselves to a free feel of a breast or a butt, depending on their mood.
It worries the hell out of me that folks of a supposed conservative bent will defend this kind of behavior as okay, will take a lamestream media report as accurate and truthful, will lambaste a female trying to point out that it's not right.
I'm full aware that the wonderful NAGS who are supposed to be looking out for women's rights have been taken over by lesbians and I understand the resentment of conservative men who fear that the simple act of complimenting a pretty women has them worried an axe will fall upon them with the words. But to get all up and defending blatantly boorish behavior without knowing the facts.....and being so MEAN about it.....
.....I really worry about this kind of thing.
Again, please note that these two boys, named Cornelison and Mashburn, admitted to poking a girl's breast and said they'd done it in the past.
Just thought you'd like to know about the fine fellows you are defending. If they poke a girl in her breast, which they admit, is THIS sexual assault?
Ken,
In a later post I went and read the entire article so I apologize for any confusion in my response before I’d read the article.
I loved that bit where the two boys ADMITTED that they’d touched girls’ breasts in the past.
I suppose this is okay? In the past? Hmmmm, sounds like a regular thing with these two.
above, twigs, an actual quote from the article that I went and read. Both of these boys admitted they'd also touched girls' breast...IN THE PAST...is this criminal enough for you?
These boys are peeing upon your collective conservative feet and telling you it's raining.
No laws broken in strip search Yamhill County district attorney bases his decision on a state police report
By Dana Tims and Inara Verzemnieks of The Oregonian staff
McMINNVILLE - Yamhill County District Attorney Brad Berry said Friday that no laws were broken in the Jan. 29 strip search of girls at Duniway Middle School, although mistakes in judgment were made.
Forty-five girls between the ages of 12 and 14 were detained after thefts were reported in a third-period gym class. Forty-four were students in the class, but school officials also pulled a girl out of another class who had been in the locker room during the gym class period.
All but seven of the girls were strip-searched by women police employees. A school district official halted the process an hour after it began.
"I don't feel there was sufficient probable cause to search these girls," Berry said. His decision not to press charges was based on his review of a 1,000-page report the Oregon State Police compiled on the Duniway incident at the McMinnville Police Department's request. "Mistakes have been made," Berry said. "Now we need to learn from those mistakes and move on."
The two adults who oversaw the search have already faced some consequences for their roles. McMinnville Police Officer Kent Stuart, who was the school resource officer, was transferred to patrol, and Pat Jenkins, Duniway vice principal, resigned.
Berry said there was no evidence of criminal intent underlying the actions of Jenkins or Stuart.
According to the findings of the state police investigation, this is what happened at Duniway that day: About 11 a.m., the girls discovered that their locker room had been ransacked. Money, a compact disc player, compact discs, candy, jewelry and makeup were missing.
They told their gym teacher. She told Jenkins, who summoned Stuart to come with her to the gym.
Stuart asked the guilty party to come forward. No one did. After consulting with Jenkins, Stuart told the girls, "If you don't come forward you will be strip-searched," Berry said.
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The women police employees patted the girls down and asked them to shake out their bras, unbutton their pants and quickly pull their underwear down and up to see whether any of the stolen items might fall out.
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I still wouldn’t consider it as sexual assault.
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